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Halsfield wrote:There is also the whole aspect of the book defining how a walker can fire:

"When firing a walker's weapon, pivot the walker on the spot so that all guns are aimed at the target (assume that all weapon's mounted on a walker can swivel 45degrees, like hull-mounted weapons)"

And there's also the more-specific order of operations for a chaos dreadnought suffering fire frenzy.

Please not here.
Take it to the YMDC and hopefully it'll get locked by the 7th post

Or ignore YMDC altogether and discuss it with your opponents and/or Tournament Organizer.

Hey, the rules discussion in this thread started quite a while ago(in fact I think it was sanctjud that even mentioned the 360degree arc?) and an article mod has chipped in as well. I just wanted to give more evidence to support his and others that are putting forth the idea that it is only a 45degree visible arc, and not the 360degree arc that some people seem to think. People can make any decision they want and as nurglitch says it is really up to tournament organizers or the rules admin at whatever area you are playing.

And wildstyle, specific or not, fire frenzy simply says that they are forced to fire on the closest visible, it doesn't change the rules about what is visible in any way.

The difference in tactics used between a 360degree fire frenzy and a 45 degree one is quite different so I think it is worthwhile to the discussion. We could simply have the OP state which rules he uses and simply stick with those throughout, but its a bit hard to discuss how to use dreadnoughts without that. In one you can equip stronger weapons and simply aim him away from your own elements. In the other your own units are much more vulnerable and you must play much more carefully.

I play the 360 arc, only cause I choose to play with that handicap.

But in all seriousness I am in the 45 degree boat.
But when I use Dreads, it's when I throw out all doubts and just be happy whatever it (and the rest of the list) does.

My only experience with Dreads is in my Crap Legion, where I take everything that is supposed to fail and play a joke game.
All I can say is, I'm surpised by the games.
If dreads with that kind of handicap (360) can do well enough to be called functional, the 45 degree interpretation can only be better.