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Guns don't kill people. Kids who play videogames kill people.

Darn too late.

I've heard of people losing their Gak after playing a game but nothing as serious as murder.

EDIT: oh page break, you harsh mistress.

I've seen some miniatures flying mid-game, but never see/heard of anyone been killed over a GW game.

I really do think it has happened, some of the people I've seen.

Although I think it would be very possible I could be driven to kill one of the older WAAC tourney players.

You know one of the real snobby elitists?

Yeah, I don't disagree that it might happen.
I simply never heard of any case.

Albatross wrote:Not anyone HERE, obviously!

I was just wondering - there are some seriously competetive people out there, and I've heard (and heard of) some fairly angry exchanges on here. It also seems that a fairly large portion of US wargamers in particular, are gun-owners. Does it ever get out of hand?

Has anyone been killed or seriously injured over a game of 40K?





Please note, this thread is NOT intended to be a commentary on gun-ownership, or US vs UK gun-control policy. Let's not.

No.

And for the record, the ones I play with who own the guns are either cops or military, so they have to be some of the best run and safest games you've ever played.
To us, guns don't have anything to do with our arguments. They are tools like a hammer or a screwdriver. As for the large portion of gun owners being gamers? I don't know where you got your information, so I really can't comment on that.

We get heated every now and then, but other then that it goes to the extreme where someone has to take a butt kicking for thier TFG needs.

Worst I've heard from Warhammer is where some kid lost a game and flipped the table over destroying his and the opponent's miniatures.

For other things, well I recall reading a story from Japan (I I recall correctly) where some crazy shot a customer in the back of the head in an internet cafe after losing a game of Counterstrike to them earlier in the day.

Grot 6 wrote:

Albatross wrote:Not anyone HERE, obviously!

I was just wondering - there are some seriously competetive people out there, and I've heard (and heard of) some fairly angry exchanges on here. It also seems that a fairly large portion of US wargamers in particular, are gun-owners. Does it ever get out of hand?

Has anyone been killed or seriously injured over a game of 40K?





Please note, this thread is NOT intended to be a commentary on gun-ownership, or US vs UK gun-control policy. Let's not.

No.

And for the record, the ones I play with who own the guns are either cops or military, so they have to be some of the best run and safest games you've ever played.
To us, guns don't have anything to do with our arguments. They are tools like a hammer or a screwdriver. As for the large portion of gun owners being gamers? I don't know where you got your information, so I really can't comment on that.

We get heated every now and then, but other then that it goes to the extreme where someone has to take a butt kicking for thier TFG needs.

What I said was that it SEEMS that a large portion of US gamers own guns. I have no information regarding percentages, I've just spoke to a lot of gun-owning American wargamers on here.

It's also interesting that you quoted this:

Please note, this thread is NOT intended to be a commentary on gun-ownership, or US vs UK gun-control policy. Let's not.

...and then blatantly ignored it by posting this:

And for the record, the ones I play with who own the guns are either cops or military, so they have to be some of the best run and safest games you've ever played.
To us, guns don't have anything to do with our arguments. They are tools like a hammer or a screwdriver.

Again, let's not.

I heard about an old guy expiring during his opponents turn during a Napoleonics game. Wonder how that affected his soft scoring on his tourney card...

You should be careful about beating an Eldar play who is fielding a Night Spinner. It means he has one of those new Prism Cannons on his person.

Albatross wrote:

What I said was that it SEEMS that a large portion of US gamers own guns. I have no information regarding percentages, I've just spoke to a lot of gun-owning American wargamers on here.

It's also interesting that you quoted this:

Please note, this thread is NOT intended to be a commentary on gun-ownership, or US vs UK gun-control policy. Let's not.

...and then blatantly ignored it by posting this:

And for the record, the ones I play with who own the guns are either cops or military, so they have to be some of the best run and safest games you've ever played.
To us, guns don't have anything to do with our arguments. They are tools like a hammer or a screwdriver.

Again, let's not.

Thank you sir.

And yes, I realize you were making an observation based on people you've spoken to who live here, which is inherently anectodal, which I know you're aware of.

I did hear of a tourney at my old store where they ejected a guy, and even though there was no physical ejection, there was strong language. He got angry because my friend did *indeed* get a save against the special DE needle pistol and proceeded to throw his tape measure with great zeal and said tape measure caromed off two walls, thus endangering the hobbyists.

There are alot of unbalanced people, and if you follow crime reporting or just read "Homicide, A Year on the Killing Streets" it's clear that that murder is often touched off by the most seemingly insignificant events. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that someone had been killed at, or following, a wargame.

Fateweaver wrote:Not to sound insensitive (but damn if I could care anyway) anyone who kills themselves over a game, whether it be 40k, MtG, WoW, EQ, whatever game it was/is, should not have been alive in the first place.

Not insensitive, just ignorant. People who are mentally disturbed enough to consider suicide over a game need professional help, not a revocation of their right to live.

A few people I know have almost come to fists over a game (after some cheesy rules exploiting) but it never got further than a few nasty words. I'm sure someone out there has - it's a big world after all, but it's obviously not too commonplace. Just compare it to Counter-Strike, where after a LAN game one player grabbed a screwdriver and killed his biggest rival. Pretty effed up stuff there.

Eilif wrote:There are alot of unbalanced people, and if you follow crime reporting or just read "Homicide, A Year on the Killing Streets" it's clear that that murder is often touched off by the most seemingly insignificant events. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that someone had been killed at, or following, a wargame.

Fateweaver wrote:Not to sound insensitive (but damn if I could care anyway) anyone who kills themselves over a game, whether it be 40k, MtG, WoW, EQ, whatever game it was/is, should not have been alive in the first place.

Not insensitive, just ignorant. People who are mentally disturbed enough to consider suicide over a game need professional help, not a revocation of their right to live.

You say po-tay-toh, i say po-taw-toh. If that person is known to be mentally disturbed they shouldn't play in the first place. As well, if you want to kill yourself over a game of toy soldiers I'll give you the gun to do it. I'll be your Kavorkian.

VikingScott wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Guns...

Video games...

Must...

Resist...

CAN'T!

Ah Alpharius....
Still brings the classyness when anything gun related gets talked about
Some of the others i've seen of your stash are better than this, or are you running out of chicks with guns?

Alpharius running out of chicks with guns? That's crazy talk! It'll never happen!

Some people overeact, way too much, In my GW its just fun and games, even if you lose for some wierd reason you always end up laughing so I don't really know what the fuss is about

Fateweaver wrote:

Eilif wrote:There are alot of unbalanced people, and if you follow crime reporting or just read "Homicide, A Year on the Killing Streets" it's clear that that murder is often touched off by the most seemingly insignificant events. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that someone had been killed at, or following, a wargame.

Fateweaver wrote:Not to sound insensitive (but damn if I could care anyway) anyone who kills themselves over a game, whether it be 40k, MtG, WoW, EQ, whatever game it was/is, should not have been alive in the first place.

Not insensitive, just ignorant. People who are mentally disturbed enough to consider suicide over a game need professional help, not a revocation of their right to live.

You say po-tay-toh, i say po-taw-toh. If that person is known to be mentally disturbed they shouldn't play in the first place. As well, if you want to kill yourself over a game of toy soldiers I'll give you the gun to do it. I'll be your Kavorkian.

It's going to be a singularly amazing day when you finally get your head out of your ass and get to see sunshine for the first time in your life. The expression on your face will live on through pithy motivational posters until the end of the internet itself

My head is up my ass because I don't pity people who hate life so much they off themselves over a game of 40K or WoW or EQ?

I'm an insensitive prick, so sue me.

Perhaps I'm not the one with his head up his ass.....hmmm?

Fateweaver wrote:My head is up my ass because I don't pity people who hate life so much they off themselves over a game of 40K or WoW or EQ?

I'm an insensitive prick, so sue me.

No, you've shown not only is your head crammed so far up your ass you're tasting the back of your neck, even worse, you're doing it deliberatly. You should be ashamed of yourself. You're looking at someone with a readily treatable illness and saying, 'instead of getting help, you should die, kill yourself.' I really hope no one in your family ever gets appendicitis, but at least we know how you're going to keep the costs down if your mum gets cancer.

That about sums it up.

I have seen a game where there was some heated arguing over a ruling in 40K 2E and fisticuffs ensued. We'll really the one guy cold cocked the other sucker right over the table and that was pretty much it - knocked him out. But as far as I know, no one has been killed over a war game.

However plenty of people have been killed after being possessed by demons/devils after reading the various editions of the Monster Manual and Manual of the Planes

I saw a game of WHFB end with a trip to the hospital. Apparently a rules arguement went south VERY quickly and disgruntled man 1 tackled disgruntled man 2 and proceded fist rape his face. Had it not been for some kid slamming a rulebook (belonged to some RPG, and it was HUGE) onto the first guys head, it very easily could have resulted in someone dying. Kudos to the kid with an oversized rulebook...

If I killed my opponent everytime I lost a game of Warhams, they would have made a movie about me by now.

I guess I find it asinine people behave that way. GTA making you go out and carjack and shoot people? You need to be locked up for life or die. 40k or Fantasy making you want to kill yourself or others? Locked up for life or die.

I mean, I've spent weeks trying to get into 25 man raids in WoW (lots of competetion for slots for some classes), only to lose a roll for an epic loot piece I've waited months to get. I've never once thought of leaving my house armed with my shotgun and killing some random people or repainting the wall of my room with blood and brain matter.

Seriously, people that get that heated have problems mentally and should not be allowed to co-exist with others in society.

Fateweaver~ Your opinion's seem extreme, but I don't necessarily disagree with all of them honestly. One thing I think gets missed, unlevel people are common in gaming, comic book, and science fiction community. We have all seen those "odd" people, and probably at one time of another theorized on them going postal.

Some people do have mental problems, a matter of not co-existing in society is a little extreme. That being said, some people are not cut out of wargaming, period. They do not have the temperment, they are quick to argue and fight, and duh it makes sense put 2 of them on a table and off they go.

I agree with you that the "idea" of fighting over a game is ridiculous. Blaming GTA for violence to me is stupid, but people are impressionable, and likely need little influence to be drawn to violence. While you and I may share the "that's idiotic to do that" opinion, it does not mean that a person half cocked is not pre-disposed to violence. I have to admit, when I read the "Avatar makes people depressed" article, my first thought was: "those people are a waste, its a movie, get over it."

In this society we have to coddle the mentally disturbed. 30 years ago if you beat somebody up for beating you at a video game you got locked up in a nuthouse. Now that same person is put on meds (that don't usually work as intended) and let back into society.

It's people like that who give wargaming and video gaming a bad light. It's bad enough most of society looks down on gamers as being socially inept geeks, then displays like that happen in public places and it's like, to an outsider, "OMG what a bunch of losers to get heated up over little plastic men. It's a good thing I don't allow my family/children/friends to associate with them".

Rather then ask IF anyone has ever been killed over a game of warhammer, we should ask HOW MANY people have accidently killed themselves trying to assemble some of the old model kits.

I have personally bled over several Dark Eldar models and I put myself into shock while putting together a old chimera (exacto blade in the finger and deep into the bone). Made me feel REAL smart....

gardeth wrote:Rather then ask IF anyone has ever been killed over a game of warhammer, we should ask HOW MANY people have accidently killed themselves trying to assemble some of the old model kits.

I have personally bled over several Dark Eldar models and I put myself into shock while putting together a old chimera (exacto blade in the finger and deep into the bone). Made me feel REAL smart....

Oh, there is an entire article about that here.

I cannot say the number for times I've accidentally cut myself with an exacto knife. I can recall though on 2 occassions I fumbled an exacto and watch it imbed itself in my thigh. I'll just add 3 events that come to mind..

1. GW Voorhees. On a sunday (only reason I know that it was football season, and I popped into the shop early prior to heading the pub close by) I decided to stop in to assemble a new battle wagon for my 40k orks, in the days before the kit. I was working on cutting on a orky symbol when a buddy bumps into me, i drop my exact straight into my thigh which precedes to immediately bleed all over my nice white jersey. I laughed, plucked it out, and put superglue on the cut. Always handy in a pinch.

2. At home, fiancee and I are watching a NFL game 2 weeks later. She jump up at a touchdown, knocking the exacto out of my want, straight in the opposite thigh, when I was working on the same battle wagon. Rinse, repeat, super glue. She asks me if I need to goto the hospital. My response: they will probably just clean it and superglue it anyway, i've got a matching wound.

3. Watching a buddy and his girlfriend flirt in the GW shop. First, can't say how much I've made fun of him in the past for doing this, but she likes the little plastic men game, so who can blame him. She sneaks up on her, he twists awkwardly while assembling a rhino, and slashes her in the face opening a 4 inch long cut. Wow. That was awkward to watch. Needless to say, she was not up for the super glue it approach...

I'm very confused by that last one, njpc, you say she sneaked up on her, while he twisted awkwardly and slashed her?

Was it meant to be "She sneaked up on him, he twists awkwardly while assembling a rhino, and slashes her in the face"?

It was meant to be as you put it:
she snuck up on him, he twisted awkwardly catching her in the face with the exacto.