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I like all mine naked. The only 2 I dont use naked is the punisher with all HB or the plasma tank with all the plasma goodness. Other then that naked all the way!

Ailaros wrote:

Terminus wrote:In fact, other than a CCS/vet squad full of plasma guns or the Vendetta, I can't think of much else in the IG codex that is a better option for dealing with monstrous creatures.

Any plasma with BiD can put wounds on a MC at range, while a full squad of rough riders can kill one outright in a single charge.

The real problem is that the executioner can put down some damage, but it is way more expensive than the target you're trying to kill, which means you need to strip resources slated to kill other stuff just to handle this threat using this method.

Rough Riders? Meh, pass. I have a bag-full of bikes I was going to use to convert some, but I don't have the heart to carve up DKoK for the task. Plus, every unit of Rough Riders is one less Vendetta.

As for the cost, I rarely follow the school of thought that something has to destroy at least its points value of stuff to be worth it. Again, I consider that mode of thinking as part of interwebz theoryhammer groupthink that has little relevance in real games. As long as a model has a significant impact on the battle that contributes to the overall goal of victory, it doesn't matter how much it has killed. It has served me well vaporizing Space Marine scoring units (especially in this current meta of 5-man assault squads in razorbacks), forcing perhaps undue caution with their elites, cracking the occasional transport, and generally just looking scary and drawing fire away from my birds and chimeras.

Just with the monstrous creatures thing, I think that they are probably the thing the guard have the most trouble killing, every other thing has at least a couple of viable solutions. thus I am very happy atm that i dont have to deal with em

that said, i dont think that any army has a realy viable MC killer. i think for most armies its either massed fire or massed cc, dont quote me on that though. only other thing i can think of is Force weapons IDing it, GK probably best cus they get +2 strength so wound T6 on a 4+


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Also, I will agree with Terminus on his last point, Russ' are big nasty looking targets that tend to soak up a heap of fire and can shrug it off. I will say, this is one of the only ways I've found of making a punisher worth its points, using it as a fire magnet, soaked up 3 turns worth of marine Lascannons before one solitary bike with a melta finaly got it, by that stage my Valk, other Vanilla Russ and DS stormtroopers had gutted the rest of his army. Punnisher didnt kill anything whole game, but it was probably worth it just for the "OMG WTF IS THAT GOING TO DO?" factor.

wow... I appreciate all the input, and hope others due as well. I didn't expect this thread to get off the ground! really glad it did

MC killer? Punisher, throw Pask in it, it will lay all kinds of fire down that will cause lots of wounds. Re-rolling to wound with that combo is disgustingly good.

Agree with stormrider. Although it is a very specific role, sometimes you need to take down multiple monsterous creatures (nids, csm deamons), and punisher pask is the man for the job.

Am I missing something here? A vanquisher is only 5 points more than the vanilla LRBT. FIVE. why not get an extra d6 for armor pen? Is everyone taking crazy pills?

tldr wrote:Agree with stormrider. Although it is a very specific role, sometimes you need to take down multiple monsterous creatures (nids, csm deamons), and punisher pask is the man for the job.

Am I missing something here? A vanquisher is only 5 points more than the vanilla LRBT. FIVE. why not get an extra d6 for armor pen? Is everyone taking crazy pills?

5 more points for a bs 3 non pie plate round. add in Pask and you might as well get the Executioner.

Wait, no good MC killers? The army with plasma command squads, plasma veterans, and the Bring it Down order has no good ways to kill Monstrous Creatures? Honestly, I love seeing MCs hit the table-top, I know that against my guard army, they can't possibly do enough before the mass of heavy and rapid-fire weapons tear them apart.

I find that the Vanilla LRBT is the best of the bunch. The Executioner is a point sink that gets trashed way to easily to be worth the 220pts it costs plus it isn't that effective against medium vehicles (SM Preds, Tau Skimmers, etc. The Vanilla Russ with a Hull Lascannon is a threat to most monstrous creatures out there with the potential to do two wounds (more likely 0-1) per turn, plus the ability to maul 3+ armour units and also mess up light-medium armour while advancing or retreating. It is a versatile tank that if taken in multiples can lay down a lot of pie plates and if properly protected from assault can also soak up a lot of anti-tank fire.

Demolishers are also pretty good, but I've never found heavy flamers to be terribly useful. I find the 2 Plasma Cannons or 3 Heavy bolters to be more effective at giving the tank some distance punch.