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What about the crank powered gatling gun from the Last Samurai?



It was pretty good for cutting down Tom Cruise and his buddies.

Something I see missing here is the fact that .50 BMG is intended for anti-materiel duties. Anti-personell is just a huge bonus.

I have to vote for the MAG. Unlike the MG42 it actually shoots straight at about 800rpm (IIRC). I served with both .50 Brownings and the MAG and i was impressed by the trajectory of its projectiles. 7.62 mm is a heavy caliber for AP duties.

Oh, and the 0.50in will not harm any of the modern tanks and as far as the olders are concerned M113s are pierced by a stiff breeze , no need for bullets

The germans design the MG42 to be able to change its barrel in 5 to 7 seconds. Thats why its called quick change barrel.

If the MG42 is the best machine gun of all time, why is it not still in wide service?

If the MG42 is the best machine gun of all time, why is it not still in wide service?

The standard answer here is to point to the MG3, which is very similar.

But really, there's no arguing with Naziphiles. What's the best AR of all time? The Stg44. What's the best machine gun? The MG42. What's the best tank? The Panther. What's the best pistol? The Luger. The MP40. The Kar98. The Me262. The Swastika. Etc. Etc.

Amidoinitrite? (also note 'QQ')

dogma wrote:If the MG42 is the best machine gun of all time, why is it not still in wide service?

And MG3 IS an MG42 except that the MG3 fires either at 550 rpm or 750 rpm. every single part is interchangeble.


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Best MG: the 42
Best pistol: M1911A!
Best Rifle: Kar 98
Best AR: STG 44

THe only reason why the kar is there is because most bolt action rifles of today copy the design and imo it still is better, because the safety is done to the firing pin not to the trigger. You can pull the trigger all you want and it won't fire.

Kar 98 is not the best rifle. The Stg is not the best AR.

The tommy gun surpasses the Stg as do most modern assault rifles, and the M1 Garand is fantastic. That is if you want to stick with that era because there are better rifles.

Don't know about the colt being the best as the germans did have that one pistol that could go full automatic if it wanted too.

But there is a reason the germans lost the war, their guns were delicate. It is similar to the East German secret police vehicles, an american spy would drive a vehicle off road and the secret police wouldn't follow because their cars were delicate.

The MG42 was scary, but like I said so were most other MGs when they first came out as was the first tank to ever come out.

The barrel change allowed the enemy to quickly move from cover to cover and if it happens enough times you have an enemy that has caught up to you and probably will be tossing grenades at you soon.

halonachos wrote:Kar 98 is not the best rifle. The Stg is not the best AR.

The tommy gun surpasses the Stg as do most modern assault rifles, and the M1 Garand is fantastic. That is if you want to stick with that era because there are better rifles.

Don't know about the colt being the best as the germans did have that one pistol that could go full automatic if it wanted too.

But there is a reason the germans lost the war, their guns were delicate. It is similar to the East German secret police vehicles, an american spy would drive a vehicle off road and the secret police wouldn't follow because their cars were delicate.

The MG42 was scary, but like I said so were most other MGs when they first came out as was the first tank to ever come out.

The barrel change allowed the enemy to quickly move from cover to cover and if it happens enough times you have an enemy that has caught up to you and probably will be tossing grenades at you soon.

I'd proffer being in front of any machine gun is scary and not the place you'd want to be, even a French machine gun. I don't like someone throwing snow balls at me, much less a machine gun.

halonachos wrote:Kar 98 is not the best rifle. The Stg is not the best AR.

The tommy gun surpasses the Stg as do most modern assault rifles, and the M1 Garand is fantastic. That is if you want to stick with that era because there are better rifles.

Don't know about the colt being the best as the germans did have that one pistol that could go full automatic if it wanted too.

But there is a reason the germans lost the war, their guns were delicate. It is similar to the East German secret police vehicles, an american spy would drive a vehicle off road and the secret police wouldn't follow because their cars were delicate.

The MG42 was scary, but like I said so were most other MGs when they first came out as was the first tank to ever come out.

The Thompson IS not an assault rifle its an SMG. If you believe that the german guns are delicate the I wouldn't be able to break down a door with a kar 98, MP44, and an mg 42. If they were delicate then the german wouldn't have used them. The reason why the germans lost the war is because of hitler and going to war with too many countries at the same time. Take note you can beat down a door with a kar 98, MP44, and the MG42. if you don't believe then go do it yourself. The Thompson is a POS. The MP44 is always going to be the best because 1. hits as hard as the ak47 2. more reliable than the m16, but slightly less than the ak47 3. more controlable under auto fire 4. not as accurate as the m16 but no where near as inaccurate as the ak. German guns are usually better than ours the H&k 36 comes to mind and its a good gun. P.Y.H.O.o.Y.A. And I will always believe that the M1911A1 .45 is the best pistol and none of this 9mm which is a complete waste of time IMO. Also where are you from California, because your acting like one.

This is the reason the Germans and Japanese and Italians lost the war.

Deff Jaw wrote:

halonachos wrote:Kar 98 is not the best rifle. The Stg is not the best AR.

The tommy gun surpasses the Stg as do most modern assault rifles, and the M1 Garand is fantastic. That is if you want to stick with that era because there are better rifles.

Don't know about the colt being the best as the germans did have that one pistol that could go full automatic if it wanted too.

But there is a reason the germans lost the war, their guns were delicate. It is similar to the East German secret police vehicles, an american spy would drive a vehicle off road and the secret police wouldn't follow because their cars were delicate.

The MG42 was scary, but like I said so were most other MGs when they first came out as was the first tank to ever come out.

The Thompson IS not an assault rifle its an SMG. If you believe that the german guns are delicate the I wouldn't be able to break down a door with a kar 98, MP44, and an mg 42. If they were delicate then the german wouldn't have used them. The reason why the germans lost the war is because of hitler and going to war with too many countries at the same time. Take note you can beat down a door with a kar 98, MP44, and the MG42. if you don't believe then go do it yourself. The Thompson is a POS. The MP44 is always going to be the best because 1. hits as hard as the ak47 2. more reliable than the m16, but slightly less than the ak47 3. more controlable under auto fire 4. not as accurate as the m16 but no where near as inaccurate as the ak. German guns are usually better than ours the H&k 36 comes to mind and its a good gun. P.Y.H.O.o.Y.A. And I will always believe that the M1911A1 .45 is the best pistol and none of this 9mm which is a complete waste of time IMO. Also where are you from California, because your acting like one.

Actually most German weaponry was substantially more complex than its American/British counterpart, and notoriously susceptible to breaking down. The Jagdtiger is a good example vs. the JSII. There was a notation comparing the firing mechanisms for a US 75mm and a German 105mm. The American unit had something like 9 pieces, the German had something on the order of 36.

Whoa your talking about artillery and tanks. The german firearms are very well thought out. They are simple (surprising I know), easy to strip and maintain (the exceptions being the MG 34, Gewher 40, and 43). Also American, British, and Russian equipment broke down just as much as the Germans equipment just the germans didn't have as many spare parts. Wrecked tanks were the germans spare parts.

I'm sorry, please cite something where a Sherman broke down even 10% of the time to a Jagdtiger.


I don't agree. A 1911 is easier than pie to strip, especially compared to an actual Luger. A webley of course is the AK of revolvers, but thats a separate discussion. You can't tell me a schmeisser is less complex than Sten or US grease gun.

Mauser was thought out because its pre WWI. Yea, it'd better be less complex. But if its WWII there's nothing simple about it. Doesn't mean its worse but it does mean it will break down more. A lot more.

Yeah to be fair lads, this is a case of internet intellectualls looking at hard statistics and then decreeing which is best in a coldly logical manner, its all gak.

I was stood on a compound roof in Kajaki and i started getting brassed up by some pot-bellied Afghan idiot who was doing bursts of 20, and didnt look like he could hit a barn door sat on the handle, but when the rounds are crack thump pinging all over the place you dont think

"hmm.. this machine gun isnt that scary really, i mean, its not an MG-42... and as for its its muzzle velocity.."

Seriously, are you guys gaking me? Which one "sounds" the scariest?!

The best machine gun is the one with a gunner that keeps it nice and clean and looks after it properly, oils it correctly depending his location, practices with it plenty and LOVES shooting the bastard at people!

mattyrm wrote:Yeah to be fair lads, this is a case of internet intellectualls looking at hard statistics and then decreeing which is best in a coldly logical manner, its all gak.

I was stood on a compound roof in Kajaki and i started getting brassed up by some pot-bellied Afghan idiot who was doing bursts of 20, and didnt look like he could hit a barn door sat on the handle, but when the rounds are crack thump pinging all over the place you dont think

"hmm.. this machine gun isnt that scary really, i mean, its not an MG-42... and as for its its muzzle velocity.."

Seriously, are you guys gaking me? Which one "sounds" the scariest?!

The best machine gun is the one with a gunner that keeps it nice and clean and looks after it properly, oils it correctly depending his location, practices with it plenty and LOVES shooting the bastard at people! AND CAN OPEN A CAN OF BEER

Corrected your typo.

HBO's "The Pacific" featured one of the more bad ass machine gunners in history, John Basilone, and featured his heroics, personal life, and ultimate sacrifice.




As for which machine gun's the best....its the one on your side

None of the MGs in call of duty MW2 were very good but I did have some luck with with AUG HBAR as a heavy rifle.


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mattyrm wrote:Yeah to be fair lads, this is a case of internet intellectualls looking at hard statistics and then decreeing which is best in a coldly logical manner, its all gak.

I was stood on a compound roof in Kajaki and i started getting brassed up by some pot-bellied Afghan idiot who was doing bursts of 20, and didnt look like he could hit a barn door sat on the handle, but when the rounds are crack thump pinging all over the place you dont think

"hmm.. this machine gun isnt that scary really, i mean, its not an MG-42... and as for its its muzzle velocity.."

Seriously, are you guys gaking me? Which one "sounds" the scariest?!

The best machine gun is the one with a gunner that keeps it nice and clean and looks after it properly, oils it correctly depending his location, practices with it plenty and LOVES shooting the bastard at people!

Since we don't have a running statistic on the most clean machine gun on the planet COLD HAYRD FATCS will have to do sir!

Deff Jaw wrote:
And MG3 IS an MG42 except that the MG3 fires either at 550 rpm or 750 rpm. every single part is interchangeble.

No, that's false. If you believe that, then you have never worked with either weapon. The fact that you listed them as the same weapon says volumes.

I would like to say that Hugo Schmeisser had nothing to do with the MP40. He did however design the MP41.

OP, I think your letting emotion cloud your arguments.

Stormrider wrote:I would like to say that Hugo Schmeisser had nothing to do with the MP40. He did however design the MP41.

OP, I think your letting emotion cloud your arguments.

Who are you talking to?

dogma wrote:

Deff Jaw wrote:
And MG3 IS an MG42 except that the MG3 fires either at 550 rpm or 750 rpm. every single part is interchangeble.

No, that's false. If you believe that, then you have never worked with either weapon. The fact that you listed them as the same weapon says volumes.

Especially since the MG3 is chambered for .308.

The idea that a single barreled machine gun firing 1,200 rounds a minute (which the MG42 could theoretically get up to 1,800 RPM, with the correct lightweight parts) is silly.




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Frazzled wrote:

Stormrider wrote:I would like to say that Hugo Schmeisser had nothing to do with the MP40. He did however design the MP41.

OP, I think your letting emotion cloud your arguments.

Who are you talking to?

To whomever is using MP40 and Schmeisser interchangeably.

Stormrider wrote:

dogma wrote:

Deff Jaw wrote:
And MG3 IS an MG42 except that the MG3 fires either at 550 rpm or 750 rpm. every single part is interchangeble.

No, that's false. If you believe that, then you have never worked with either weapon. The fact that you listed them as the same weapon says volumes.

Especially since the MG3 is chambered for .308.

[u]The idea that a single barreled machine gun firing 1,200 rounds a minute (which the MG42 could theoretically get up to 1,800 RPM, with the correct lightweight parts) is silly.



Silly? why? i put my hand in the fire if i say that the MG3 is capable (and i can say, i have shooted thousands and thousands of rounds with taht) to fire at that rate of fire (1200 RPM), for this reason MG42 and MG3 where designed with this easiness to change the barrels...

dogma wrote:

Deff Jaw wrote:
And MG3 IS an MG42 except that the MG3 fires either at 550 rpm or 750 rpm. every single part is interchangeble.

No, that's false. If you believe that, then you have never worked with either weapon. The fact that you listed them as the same weapon says volumes.

And you can prove your point?

The MG3 is a modern version of the MG42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_MG_3

Various machine-guns can shoot that fast. It is pretty much a requirement for an aircraft mounted gun.

As I said before, all serious machine-guns have changeable barrels.

These points are easily verifiable by looking up some reference books on military weapons, if you don't trust Wikipedia.

Deff Jaw wrote:What is the best MG of all time mine is the MG42/MG3.

AND DO NOT RELY ON VIDEOGAMES FOR YOUR ANSWER!

Why are you so fond of these kind of threads?



It really doesn't matter if it's a MG42, a Maxim or a HK21.
The best machinegun is the one that's not shooting at you / is the one that you've got the most training on.

Debating small details like weight, rate of fire, ease of production etc. on the internetz is borderline slowed. Especially considered that few, if any, posting in these kind of threads have familiarized themselves properly with more than a handful of machineguns.

I like Nazi Zombies more than the actual COD game..

And that fething ray gun beats any of the deployable machine guns hands down!

Deff Jaw wrote:

dogma wrote:

Deff Jaw wrote:
And MG3 IS an MG42 except that the MG3 fires either at 550 rpm or 750 rpm. every single part is interchangeble.

No, that's false. If you believe that, then you have never worked with either weapon. The fact that you listed them as the same weapon says volumes.

And you can prove your point?

I don't have to, as negative statements regarding the difference between two separate artifacts are regarded as true until proven otherwise. You, on the other hand, are making a positive statement and therefore must offer proof.

Deff Jaw wrote:Whoa your talking about artillery and tanks. The german firearms are very well thought out. They are simple (surprising I know), easy to strip and maintain (the exceptions being the MG 34, Gewher 40, and 43). Also American, British, and Russian equipment broke down just as much as the Germans equipment just the germans didn't have as many spare parts. Wrecked tanks were the germans spare parts.

The german smg was so good the germans used captured russian smg's,
They new those would fire