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zing165 wrote:I don’t think any of the armies are really imbalanced. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. There is no one army that truly cant be beaten by another.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't stop laughing over this post.
Oh boy.

Yeah...There are some horribly balanced armies out there, and wishful thinking won't change that. If the army REQUIRES an amazing player to do anything good with it, then why is it "balanced" compared to the army that even a bad-to-average player can easily win with?

Haddi wrote:

zing165 wrote:I don’t think any of the armies are really imbalanced. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. There is no one army that truly cant be beaten by another.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't stop laughing over this post.
Oh boy.

Yeah...There are some horribly balanced armies out there, and wishful thinking won't change that. If the army REQUIRES an amazing player to do anything good with it, then why is it "balanced" compared to the army that even a bad-to-average player can easily win with?

That's not really what he said, at all.

Give me an example of a codex that will, in all cases, beat another codex, and I will come up with a list form the latter codex to thwart the former. Go on, I dare you.

ok yes i realize that many armies are easyer to play than others. Some really do require you to be a good player to do well with but i was saying that its not impossible to win.


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SaintHazard wrote:

Haddi wrote:

zing165 wrote:I don’t think any of the armies are really imbalanced. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. There is no one army that truly cant be beaten by another.

I'm sorry, I just couldn't stop laughing over this post.
Oh boy.

Yeah...There are some horribly balanced armies out there, and wishful thinking won't change that. If the army REQUIRES an amazing player to do anything good with it, then why is it "balanced" compared to the army that even a bad-to-average player can easily win with?

That's not really what he said, at all.

Give me an example of a codex that will, in all cases, beat another codex, and I will come up with a list form the latter codex to thwart the former. Go on, I dare you.

YES thats what i was saying!

zing165 wrote:ok yes i realize that many armies are easyer to play than others. Some really do require you to be a good player to do well with but i was saying that its not impossible to win.

This is the truth. There's not a single codex out there that will automatically grant a victory to a good player playing another good player, or a bad player playing another bad player.

Do some require more skill to play effectively than others? Yes. Orks don't require much thought or tactical acumen, whereas Eldar most certainly do.

Is there a single "autowin" codex out there? Hell no.

I did read it wrong, sorry for the condescension.

While I do agree that there are no "autowin" codex as SH said, but there are codices that are absolutely ridiculous compared to others list-potential wise.

At 2000 points, how would an IG Leafblower fare against any Sisters army possible?

Can't seem to think of any other examples though, so I'll leave it at that.

Haddi wrote:I did read it wrong, sorry for the condescension.

While I do agree that there are no "autowin" codex as SH said, but there are codices that are absolutely ridiculous compared to others list-potential wise.

At 2000 points, how would an IG Leafblower fare against any Sisters army possible?

Can't seem to think of any other examples though, so I'll leave it at that.

Counterexample: Battle Sisters with Meltaguns and Multi-Meltas in Rhinos, Exorcists x3

Pack enough meltaguns into any list and your average leafblower is kaputt.

SaintHazard wrote:

Haddi wrote:I did read it wrong, sorry for the condescension.

While I do agree that there are no "autowin" codex as SH said, but there are codices that are absolutely ridiculous compared to others list-potential wise.

At 2000 points, how would an IG Leafblower fare against any Sisters army possible?

Can't seem to think of any other examples though, so I'll leave it at that.

Counterexample: Battle Sisters with Meltaguns and Multi-Meltas in Rhinos, Exorcists x3

Pack enough meltaguns into any list and your average leafblower is kaputt.

...

CREEEEEEEEEEEEE-Oh wait wrong reference.

Okay, fair point.

Nothing beats a Creed list.

Mostly because, "Hey Creed, you think your outflanking Leman Russes are so tough?! Well let's see what this lascannon has to say about OH GOD MY LASCANNON IS A BANEBLADE"

I think, in some cases, there is a Rock Paper Scissors aspect to the game. And sometimes you'll just have a bad match up- regardless of skill

I played a game against Blood Angels a few weeks ago with my eldar. It was a low point game, I had a doom seer, a squad of storm guardians with flamers in a wave serpent, a squad of 7 bikes with a destructor lock and 2 cannons, a min dragon squad, a few wave serpents and 2 shuri walkers.

He had 2 full squads of sang priested Assault Marines with Melta Guns and fists, and a jump librarian.

It soon became painfully obvious that my guns did not kill 3+, 4+ fnp units. I had enough small arms fire to burn through normal MEQ, enough small arms fire to kill orks, but there was no way I was winning this fight.

This doesn't say anything about the codexes or balance, merely that my all comers list at 750 points has a bad matchup against an army with can function with relative impunity to small arms fire and an 18 inch charge range, and I would have to play spectacularly well and him spectacularly bad for me to pull of a win.

So while a certain list may not be strong against a certain enemy, its a lot harder to claim your entire codex is weak. Everybodies all comers list has a weak point, aftearll.

That's also true, but it doesn't mean that a given codex is "unbalanced" or "weak."

Of course every list has its strengths and weaknesses. If there was a list that didn't have any weaknesses, every tournament player would play that list, and the game would be exceedingly boring.

that's why spam and mathhammer bores me. I would rather play take all comers than I HAVE TO USE ALL MY FIRE DRAGONS IF IM GOING TO WIN! sure i take a squad. sure everyone is scared of them. then they get hosed after their one big kill, the game moves along... suddenly my fire dragon spam doesn't seem quite so awesome when objectives are in question.

See, the mathematical element of the game is the most fun for me.

Perhaps the friend is the unbalanced one. Get his meds straightened out and he should be fixed a treat.