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Gailbraithe wrote:
The Tea Party was never a grass-roots movement. Pure astroturf, the entire movement was initially funded by the Koch brothers, who own the second largest corporation in the world.
You've already assumed that there was something to fund; implying that the movement existed prior to the intervention of the Koch brothers. A movement does not cease to be grassroots simply because funding for it comes from above (communities often contain people of widely varying income; notably the Obama campaign, which was heavily predicated on grassroots action, would not be considered grassroots by your apparent definition.
Gailbraithe wrote:
And if not for Fox News relentlessly promoting the Tea Party events, they would have already disappeared.
Have you done any research to support this? Comparative studies regarding similar movements in similar, or differing political situation? Do you have any regression data regarding Tea Party support over time; accounting for variables like Fox News coverage, corporate funding, etc?
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
This got Godwin'd 8 posts in? That's gotta be some kind of record...
Didn't you know that only leftist movements are grassroots, because only Democrats have the cognitive capacity for critical thought? Conservative organizations are made up of brainwashed sheep that only show up because Glenn Beck told them to. /sarcasm
I think the problem that the Tea Party has is that not many of the rank and file have any idea what they're yammering about. Particularly on when it comes to comparing today's Tax rates with those of when say, God-King Ronald Reagan was in office.
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Wait....Hitler drank tea ?! Well, he can't have been all bad then....
And if not for Fox News relentlessly promoting the Tea Party events, they would have already disappeared.
Hmmm... well.. maybe it wouldn't have reached the stage it has-- publicity is, obviously a great boon for any movement, but do you not think, at the very least ( and even if you disagree with the view) the party must represent X % of people and would therefore have reformed in some manner ? You seem to be portraying it almost as an entirely media/Fox driven or created entity and I don't quite see how you can claim that.
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ShumaGorath wrote:It's hard to build a political movement without political homogeny. The tea party has no real common platform on any issue and is primarilly a rhetorical and hyperbolic response to economic hardships and liberal leadership. It's conservative crackpots and the ill educated standing up for "their rights". As a lowest common denominator collection of reactionaries it's been exploited to it's core by basically everyone trying to catch a quick buck or grab some power. It deserves it though, just as it deserves to factionalize and start disemboweling the conservative movement by pulling the rug out from under its base.
It's the logical conclusion of right wing reactionary yellow journalism when combined with an economic crisis. Murdoch must be so proud.
I disagree that the tea party platform is "conservative", in the purest sense.
I started that paragraph by stating that they have no cohesive platform. It is composed of people that are largely conservative, it is held aloft by conservative shock jocks, it is praised by conservative media, and it's given lip service by conservative politicians. It's conservative, it's just stupid and aimless as well.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:Honestly, Hitler's paintings were good, why he wasn't accepted into that art school no one knows why exactly.
He was not a super painter, but a quite talented architectural artist. Unfortunately, he decided he was a painter and that the suggestion that he go into architecture was a personal slight against him. One could argue that he had an intuitive grasp of acting. He seemed to know how to use speech and gestures to manipulate crowds, and even some people who were politically opposed to the party apparently found his speeches powerful. He was quite aware that swaying emotions was more important than what was actually said.
People have tried to psychoanalyze his inability to draw the human figure, but I think that is crap. There are a lot of people who can draw or paint "clean" lines but can't master the human figure, but don't end up committing genocide.
I know, it's very fashionable to hate on the Tea Party...
Wonderful.
What I think it comes down to is that a lot of people started looking at Bush's spending, and felt a little concerned. Then Obama came along and they started flipping out.
That's why it's mostly all conservatives, with a few "moderates" and a few "fallen Democrats." The fact is, the rate at which we're spending is concerning, and a lot of people responded to that.
Once a lot of people started responding to it, then it became a big political club, and everyone started trying to grab the handle, and ended up banging into each other, kicking it around the room, and getting confused. Some people think they've got control of the club. Other people are too far away to grab it, so they think it's stupid, or "astroturf," or "racist," or any number of other negative things, that would probably suddenly turn positive if the talking head in question thought it would serve their political ideology.
Basically the Tea Party is exactly what you get when you've got two parties that totally suck.
The reason it's mostly conservatives, is because the two parties are doing a sucky job of implementing liberal policy.
Honestly, I wouldn't liberalism so much if it were ever done at something above a remedial, idiotic level. That's why I now miss Bill Clinton. He may be left of me, but at least he's smarter than the two retards since him.
xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:And Glod claims to be taking back the civil rights movement from the left, which kind of implies it belonged to the conservative movement?
Lincoln was a Republican. Just saying.
Phryxis wrote: That's why I now miss Bill Clinton. He may be left of me, but at least he's smarter than the two retards since him.
+1
Those were pretty good days, relatively speaking.
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And Glod claims to be taking back the civil rights movement from the left, which kind of implies it belonged to the conservative movement?
I don't know about the "conservative movement," but certainly the Republican party.
The Republican party was formed as an abolitionist party. It fought southern Democrats over segregation. At some point it lost that "brand" and the Democrats took it over. That, if anything, is reason enough for the way the left still idolizes JFK. LBJ was also very progressive in that respect. Those two guys are pretty much responsible for winning that issue over to the Democrats, who had pretty minimal civil rights credibility, thanks to their sourthern membership.
So, whatever. Based on what I've heard from him, I think Beck doesn't want to take it back, so much as deny the Democrats sole ownership of it.
I wish him well. It'd be wonderful if somebody could actually sell positivity on this issue. He had Alveda King on his show today, and I was impressed with how positive and accepting she is, and while he's a bit strange and always seems a little fake to me, I want him to be genuine, and I want him to succeed in bringing people together.
I'm sure everyone here would think it's all a calculated act, but whatever. I wish him the best.
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xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:And Glod claims to be taking back the civil rights movement from the left, which kind of implies it belonged to the conservative movement?
Lincoln was a Republican. Just saying.
True, but I didn't use the word republican, I used the word conservative.
"Do not practice until you get it right, practice until you can not get it wrong." In other words, stop effing up.
xxBlazinGhostxx wrote:And Glod claims to be taking back the civil rights movement from the left, which kind of implies it belonged to the conservative movement?
Lincoln was a Republican. Just saying.
True, but I didn't use the word republican, I used the word conservative.
Well... yeah... But Republicans are generally viewed as being "conservative", N'EST-CE PAS?
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Haters gon' hate.
True, but I didn't use the word republican, I used the word conservative.
Right, which is why I said 'I don't know about the "conservative movement," but certainly the Republican party.'
I'm saying that the "conservative movement," as I assume you're using it, has only existed since the late 1970s, long after civil rights was a Democrat plank.
But I also don't know what Glenn Beck has said on this issue, if anything. If he said "conservative movement" then there you go, but for now, it's just something you said.
I was merely clarifying how it would make sense to me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: P.S. Who else is COMPLETELY stoked that Gailbraithe is back from his suspension?
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