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Well yoyu could make them touch, given enough dense matter and enough resultant gravitational force to collapse the electron shells (which removes the Pauli (if mem serves, its early!) exclusion principle frmo mattering; there arent any free electrons or protons any more) into neutronium.

However for the purposes of this game yes, they can touch and wow, this guy shouldnt be allowed to post 40k "tactics" which rely on explicitly breaking the rules.....

Well I've read every ones comments and what he is suggesting doesn't work.

You may place the flamer along the side of the base and flame sideways.

You may not place the flamer a the back as you cannot touch the edge ... but he does? yes he illegally move the model so that he may fit the template under it. If you were to touch the rear edge legally then it would fire up near vertically.

Phototoxin wrote:IIRC G (can I call you G Gwar?) you used to have to place it from the weapon..

I can't speak for Rogue Trader (not sure if it even had flame templates) but since 2nd edition you have placed the tip of the template against the model's base. It's only for vehicle-mounted weapons that you place it against the weapon.

In Rogue Trader flamers fired at their target and centred a 1 1/2" template on that point. Targts also got set on fire and could suffer more wounds in future turns during combat. In the first turn this meant they sufferd TWO wounds!

Well thats why at the gaming store i go too we make a habbit of putting the template at the barrel of the flamer not the base.

Dylwar wrote:Well thats why at the gaming store i go too we make a habbit of putting the template at the barrel of the flamer not the base.

Which is also illegal...

SaintHazard wrote:

Dylwar wrote:Well thats why at the gaming store i go too we make a habbit of putting the template at the barrel of the flamer not the base.

Which is also illegal...

If everyone agrees to it its not. Besides its less problematic then having someone do that.

Dylwar wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

Dylwar wrote:Well thats why at the gaming store i go too we make a habbit of putting the template at the barrel of the flamer not the base.

Which is also illegal...

If everyone agrees to it its not. Besides its less problematic then having someone do that.

No, if everyone agrees to it, it's a house rule.

RAW, it's still illegal.

I guess its a house rule to not let someone ruin the fun of a game. I wouldn't enjoy if someone did that to me with his flamer.

RAW makes what happend in the vid legal least how I see it personally.. I'd rather have some illegal stuff to keep the game fun.

Dylwar wrote:I guess its a house rule to not let someone ruin the fun of a game. I wouldn't enjoy if someone did that to me with his flamer.

RAW makes what happend in the vid legal least how I see it personally.. I'd rather have some illegal stuff to keep the game fun.

What he's doing in that video is very clearly illegal. This is the general concensus based on RAW.

You don't need a house rule to keep people from doing what he's doing.

No, if everyone agrees to it, it's a house rule.

RAW, it's still illegal.

Which is within the context of the rules - preagreement of terms prior to the start of the game or rolling a d6 to determine the ruling opinion in-game. Not illegal, and is RAW, just not a rule printed by GW in the book.

Dylwar - no, it really snt legal. Not even close.

Gwar! wrote:Iirc that the only 40k-mythos game that GW have let you flame your own doods is Spess Hulk with the Blud Angles Heavy Flamer, but I am not 100% on that.

Necromunda gangers and Gorkamorka Orks don't care who they spark up. Rogue Trader allowed it, too, along with webbers.

And Space Fleet let you do it in space

That guy is painful to listen to. Talking, awkward jarring pause that shouldn't exist, more talking. Normally, I can forgive that, but when you're WRONG also... well, not cool. I actually looked at a couple others, including one he covers (surprisingly) correctly concerning a dreadnought assaulting from a drop pod, or more accurately, NOT assaulting from a drop pod. At the end of it, he actually recommends to the guy to trade in the drop pod for a rhino, because drop pods aren't effective... I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what good he thinks a rhino is going to do for that dreadnought.

What an odd video. That's the kind of rule twisting where you pack your models away and decide not to waste another hour or two of life arguing over minutiae.

WTF!!!

Is this guy serious, he clearly hasn't read the rule at all. I don't claim to be god at rules but I read it and have always understood the way template weapons work. Don't have to say that in the BRB and the LRb(AOBR) the rules could not be any more clear. And yes that vid was fairly painful to watch, for two reasons, one hes totaly BS'ing and belives he right and well, the presentation was awkward. One guy you certainly want to avoid playing, would be more agrueing over illegal moves than game play.

For sh*ts and giggles I would say yes, but your flamer dude has to take a hit as well, if he dies then no one else is hit as he toasts himself 1st. Which reminds me of his excuse "I'm the flamer guy, I'm used to the heat" I did LOL at that one.

Nice gaming table though.

Just to be 100% clear to everyone that is reading this as not to cause any confusion, THIS IS AN ILLEGAL MOVE. You may not place the template over friendly models period, and this is doing exactly that.

That is all that needs to be known.

Quickie regarding flamer template positions....

Flamers of Tzeentch - where does the template begin? Any of its many many orifices?!?

liam0404 wrote:Quickie regarding flamer template positions....

Flamers of Tzeentch - where does the template begin? Any of its many many orifices?!?

If the picture in the codex is to be believed, at one of the "mouths" at the ends of its "arms."

But obviously in practice, just like any other infantry model, at the edge of the base.

liam0404 wrote:Flamers of Tzeentch - where does the template begin? Any of its many many orifices?!?

For all non-vehicle models, the template is placed against the edge of the model's base.

sure it's RAW, the rule only says the template must make contact with the base. So riddle me this Batman, how does one use a flaming weapon in that manner? hold it my the muzzle and pray? another ^%$#@#%$ metagamer trying to nudge his way around the rules.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:sure it's RAW, the rule only says the template must make contact with the base. So riddle me this Batman, how does one use a flaming weapon in that manner? hold it my the muzzle and pray? another ^%$#@#%$ metagamer trying to nudge his way around the rules.

Maybe as well as spitting acid, space marines have gained the superpower of turning burritos into promethium. Who knows.

I am firmly in the "This is amazingly illegal-camp" , but....cmon guys.

How the model is doing the flaming in "real" life, is utterly and completely irrelevant when it comes to determining the actual rules.