Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Since you attempted to separate it from technology?

Technology is, after all, merely the application of science towards solving practical problems. Magic considered is outside of the realm of science and technology. If it can be scientifically studied, tested, and reproduced, then it isn't magic-- it's science.

I think orks would really punch face if they existed now...They're absurdly huge, GREEN and carry around giant axes. We would be freaking the hell out

Their tech? Hmm..Probably better than ours if they know how to make giant walking monsters out of scrap metal and grots

Wow this thread is quickly turning into a pointless flame war.

We're talking about whether or not technology used by big, green, ape-like, fungus-based humaniods works due to a gestalt psychic field or Newtonian laws of physics.

Seriously, chill out.

Hey!

Less arguing, more serious analysis, please.

Back on topic, Ork weapons as portrayed in the game of 40K are roughly equivalent to modern day weapons like machine guns and RPGs.

They have a few SF type weapons too, like the Kustom Force Field. I believe this may be related to the fact that the game is fiction.

Equivalent in a sense, but much larger caliber, with much more force behind each shot (thus causing massive recoil that wouldn't ever be allowed in a human-designed weapon), and generally sturdier construction so it can be used as a club without fear of it breaking. The fact that they don't care too much about accuracy also influences their construction, allowing them to make weapons far more robust than we would because we'd worry more about accuracy.

I agree. Take the Big Shoota, for example. It's basically a more powerful Heavy Stubber, the .50cal of the 40k universe. The fact that it's Assault rather than Heavy can be considered a result of the Ork wielding it, rather than any intrinisic property of the weapon. Not to mention their Rokkits are on par with Imperial Krak Missiles (well, half the range, but still).

Nurglitch wrote:I agree. Take the Big Shoota, for example. It's basically a more powerful Heavy Stubber, the .50cal of the 40k universe. The fact that it's Assault rather than Heavy can be considered a result of the Ork wielding it, rather than any intrinisic property of the weapon. Not to mention their Rokkits are on par with Imperial Krak Missiles (well, half the range, but still).

Yeah, that's true. I'm sure it's a really simple design. It probably shoots A LOT of shells randomly, and it's profile represents those that actually even get close

Nurglitch wrote:I agree. Take the Big Shoota, for example. It's basically a more powerful Heavy Stubber, the .50cal of the 40k universe. The fact that it's Assault rather than Heavy can be considered a result of the Ork wielding it, rather than any intrinisic property of the weapon. Not to mention their Rokkits are on par with Imperial Krak Missiles (well, half the range, but still).

Oh, I personally believe the profile of the weapon has very little at all to do with the weapon - simply how it's fired. There's a reason there's only a single weapon in the entire Ork codex with a "Heavy" profile, and that's because Deffguns are so damned heavy, Lootas can't but stand still while firing them - and those damned things are big enough to be shoulder-mounted. On the other hand, in the Imperial Guard codex, any weapon larger than a lasgun is typically (with exceptions) a "Heavy" weapon - because they're all being fired by regular humans.

Orc Weaponry are pieces of crap thrown together to make a somehow an awesome weapon that has no recognizable features to its original weapon.
This is why orcs are da best da'y make weapons from croppy items and throws together sometypez of generator that makes a zzzing sound that makes the imperail machines look like gods.

I think that any observation about ork tech not working unless fired by an ork also doesn't say anything about their technology level.

Indeed, you have to remember that the (K)orks were created along with the Eldar, and both races are, by design, very psychic in order to battle against the Necrons.

Eldar tech requires an Eldar shooter due to the technical design of the weapon requiring a psychic trigger from the an Eldar mind. Yet we don't call their weapons a pile of junk that only works because the Eldar believe it does.

The Imperium certainly doesn't understand how Eldar technology functions, so why should it be expected that they could understand the technology of a different race created by the Old Ones, in this case the Orks. Just because a race values only war doesn't mean they have crappy tech. Indeed I'd wager they were genetically designed by the Old Ones to produce their technology- and the Imperium is no where close to where the Old Ones stood tech wise.

Uhm. I have not read a SINGLE fluff sources that states that Ork weaponry does not work outside of the hands of an Ork.

And much Eldar weaponry works outside of the hands of Eldar, too, for example, shuriken weaponry can be used by humans, even Blanks (source is Dark Heresy for this, but it was also evident in second edition where humans could use shuriken cannons).