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2010/09/27 02:08:16
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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If there is an army that has caught your interest and you an afford to take up another army then give it a go.
Collecting this stuff is a long term investment so maybe go have a game at your local GW to get the feel of the game first.
Personally, Id go Warmachine. lol
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2010/09/27 03:12:44
Subject: Re:Should I start 40k?
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Sinewy Scourge
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Jubear wrote:Scott-S6 wrote:Jubear wrote:Yeah it just seems that everyone min/maxs in 40k these days even my regular opponent who is fairly casual seems to be making uber list now I dont mind it for tournaments but it would be nice to field more then your codex best stuff every now and then
Do Fantasy players deliberately take rubbish units then? Why?
Oh, I just noticed your flag - Australia, comp capital of the world.
Actually I think you would in fantasy numbers account for way more then quality in fantasy so cheaper units make sense.
And ive no idea what the comp comment is supposed to mean
He's implying that using Composition scoring in tournament's means everyone in Australia takes deliberately crappy lists to not lose 25% of their total score before the tournament has started. Comp is a mixed blessing I feel, on the one hand Vulkan doesn't happen to be leading 2/3rds of the field, on the other hand you're taking a hit for wanting to be competitive in a tournament, its especially irritating for Orks and similar 'dexes where there is little middle-ground between "cripplingly soft" and "competitively hard".
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Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 03:22:12
Subject: Re:Should I start 40k?
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Dakka Veteran
In da middle of da WAAAGH! Australia.
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You should start 40K, it is a great game with lots of tactical depth.
I don't play fantasy, so I don't know how it works, but vehicles will kick your sorry behind if you don't destroy them.
WAAAGH!
Orks are so cool they are in all three of GW's "main" games.
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2010/09/27 03:23:07
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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Don't do it! Its a trap.
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2010/09/27 03:23:43
Subject: Re:Should I start 40k?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Gutsnagga wrote:You should start 40K, it is a great game with lots of tactical depth.
I don't play fantasy, so I don't know how it works, but vehicles will kick your sorry behind if you don't destroy them.
WAAAGH!
Orks are so cool they are in all three of GW's "main" games.
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Read my story at:
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2010/09/27 03:29:04
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Sinewy Scourge
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GorkaMorka is the 3rd.
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Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 03:45:27
Subject: Re:Should I start 40k?
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Dakka Veteran
In da middle of da WAAAGH! Australia.
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LOTR is the third, but including GorkaMorka, 4.
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2010/09/27 04:19:09
Subject: Re:Should I start 40k?
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Sinewy Scourge
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Gutsnagga wrote:LOTR is the third, but including GorkaMorka, 4.
You think LOTR is a game?
Serious: LOTR had orcs in it to start with, so its not like they can drop them. Also LOTR orcs are not like GW Orks, because: A) GW Orks are able to get canon victories, B)In terms of their respective Moral alignments GW Orks are completely going with the flow in their universes instead of defying heaven-*COUGH*CHAOSGODS*COUGH*-ly beings worth listening to. Finally C) GW Orks have way more culture then showing off the Mary-Sueness of Elves... often by punching and then eating said elves... Automatically Appended Next Post: To answer the OP:
40k has "streamlined" gameplay, melee is resolved faster and with a much simpler mechanic, the number of models on the table tends to be smaller so thats less painting to endure, models on the whole tend to be better statted and equiped, armour saves are not reduced by S, shooting is more central to play while Pyschic powers is less central (some exceptions like 'nids, Eldar and NIJAL THE CHEEZECALLER) to strategic play.
Game play is more swift and brutal between characters as few characters are as strong as Fantasy equivalents, those that are that strong are often nerfed slightly by the ample quantities of tank cannons, death-rays, semi-sentient exploding doom bullets etc.
Vehicles are a whole different set of rules and make gameplay very complex as well as allowing you to use classice tactics like using a LR loaded with Terminators to breach the enemies line and have more terminators or some other units advancing behind for cover.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/09/27 05:55:43
Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 06:16:08
Subject: Re:Should I start 40k?
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Dakka Veteran
In da middle of da WAAAGH! Australia.
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Dude, i was just saying it to prove how awesome they are. No need to get pedantic.
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2010/09/27 07:48:17
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Sinewy Scourge
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LOTR is a horrible game and should never be brought up. Not to mention it drains GW's resources and money from Mordheim, Necromunda and BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL!!!
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Also littlenibbler Orks aren't about armour saves.
Orks are about having too many models on the table, and wasting the other guy's time with your movement phase.
Orks are about having the toughest units on the table.
Orks are about not caring about how many bodies are left in a long winding trail until the squad is down to less than a third its starting strength.
Orks are about rolling more dice then you can count without the aid of a calculator or a pen and paper.
Orks are about having totally fething insane characters tearing gak down like Doc Grotsnik, Ghazghkull or Snikrot.
Orks are about being too fething awesome to die...
Lets settle this in the arena http://pantsformer.mybrute.com |
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2010/09/27 09:20:53
Subject: Re:Should I start 40k?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Jubear wrote:And ive no idea what the comp comment is supposed to mean
Composition scores are both more prevalent and more aggressively scored in Australia than just about anywhere else. So taking crappy units is much more common there than anywhere else.
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2010/09/27 14:53:26
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Gwar! wrote:What's the point of deliberately using crap units?
I thought the point of a game was to win?
The object of the game is to win, but the whole point of playing a game is to have fun. Good competition is great fun, but also one facet of a multifaceted hobby. If you are in this hobby just to win you are surely selling yourself short. The great thing I find about this hobby is the large amount of people I run into (in contrast to everywhere else in the world) that are in it to have fun. Sorry if that's over shooting the mark a bit, the whole WAAC vs FAAC just makes me shake my head sometimes. It is a wargame so of course you want to win, but at the same time we are playing with little plastic/metal figures. Playing with toys is supposed to be fun, not a labor. Mixing up different lists, perhaps having both players mix in some poorly designed units as a requirement can mix it up. Bad unit have no place in a tournament, but they can on a friend's game table if the humor is there.
As for starting 40k, take the previous comments about the gameplay into consideration. Things such as smaller units, shooting being a large part of the game, adaptive use of cover. Study the game at your local shop, take a look over the armies. If it interests you and there are other gamers that you want to play with, consider what kind of gamer you are. Do you pick armies on how they look or how their fluff is painted? Or are you more interested in how their gameplay feels. Everyone is a mix of both of those things, so find an army that will suit you.
I play Tyranids as my main army. I love the look of them, but the gameplay can be a bit frustrating at times. I picked the army mainly on looks, and found they didn't fully fit my personal playstyle. It was an excellent learning experience, but I have sunk a fair it of time & money into them so I'm not going to drop them. Observe, play some test games. Giive it some thought, if you want to play then play.
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2010/09/27 22:37:24
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Does taking rubbish units make the game more fun? Does not taking rubbish units make the game less fun? (which is what jubear implied)
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2010/09/27 22:55:57
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Skillful Swordmaster
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Scott-S6 wrote:Does taking rubbish units make the game more fun? Does not taking rubbish units make the game less fun? (which is what jubear implied)[/qu
dude your looking into it a bit hard what I mean is that I would like to field some of the fun stuff in my army alot more SAGs are good example of a unit thats not competive but is LOTS of fun to play that is all.
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Damn I cant wait to the GW legal team codex comes out now there is a dex that will conquer all. |
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2010/10/04 06:37:57
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Dakka Veteran
In da middle of da WAAAGH! Australia.
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Eyclonus wrote:LOTR is a horrible game and should never be brought up. Not to mention it drains GW's resources and money from Mordheim, Necromunda and BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL!!!
I count 93 O's in Blood (note only 2 O's)
I count 96 O's in Bowl (note spelled with only 1 O)
Be normal, O.K. . The only excuse you have is if you had a heart attack on your keyboard, in which case you are forgiven.
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2010/10/04 07:31:19
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Wow, funny that I run into this thread today... I'm actually in the same boat as the OP, except in reverse.
That being said, would any of you recommend I get into Fantasy having already played 40K? I tried the demo, and enjoyed it, for what it was worth.
Opinions?
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2010/10/04 08:23:41
Subject: Should I start 40k?
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
Scotland
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Rurouni Benshin wrote:Wow, funny that I run into this thread today... I'm actually in the same boat as the OP, except in reverse.
That being said, would any of you recommend I get into Fantasy having already played 40K? I tried the demo, and enjoyed it, for what it was worth.
Opinions?
Get your own thread. but in short, yes.
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