40k (Imperium of Man) vs. Anything - What is actually up to the task?

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**Monster Rain**

The Borg don't care about the hull.

Their cutting beams go right through pretty much any type of ships that are out there. And if that doesn't work, the Graviton Torpedoes will.

They also, now that I'm thinking about it, have Shield Disruptors so we need to factor that in to their ability to get through the void shields.

Also, let's try not to pontificate on a scientific level when discussing battles between imaginary space men.

**Monster Rain**

keezus wrote:Hey gang... thought I might jump in here for a second and note that according to this useful tool: http://www.merzo.net/

Re: The Borg... The cube has the advantage in high speed combat. If it tractor-beams ANYTHING, its advantage is lost. I'm fairly sure the projectile ordinance from an Imperial Capital ship would probably one-shot the cube, considering the Enterprise's puny torpedoes could damage them.

What's puny about Photon Torpedoes?

They're pretty brutal, man. Antimatter makes a big boom.

Asherian Command wrote:Also guys i have been noticing you guys have been like freaking attacking each other with clubs. Please calm down, its not like the world revolves around this discussion. Please be more considerate and more thoughtful in your posts please.

I disagree. I thought we were getting along quite nicely.

Ivan you mad bro?

**Monster Rain**

Now that I'm thinking about it, Q could also whipsmack the IoM by himself.

I didn't know why I didn't think of that sooner. Star Trek is definitely > IoM.

IvanTih wrote:No,I'm just tired of Borg spankers.

I understand that your worldview has been shaken to it's core.

Why don't we take a deep breath, admit the The Borg's technological superiority puts them in a class above the Imperial Navy, and we'll all feel a lot better about this.

**Monster Rain**

IvanTih wrote:All of those weapon will one shot cube,Borg adaptation isn't god like.

Actually, it pretty much is.

One Borg Cube pretty much pwnt the entire Federation, which is technologically superior to the IoM in nearly every way. They can alter their ships and bodies to not be affected by certain energy wavelengths so yeah, a Lance would one-shot a cube or two, and then they wouldn't work anymore.

Also, according to this matter doesn't even penetrate Deflector Shields so all that conventional weaponry would bounce.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Shields

**Monster Rain**

IvanTih wrote:Nice try,trekkie IOM is technologicaly superior to Borg and Federation.
Borg aren't god like.

How so?

It takes years to travel across the Galaxy for the IoM, requiring witchcraft and possible daemonic incursion. Star Trek ships, which are faster even when they aren't at Warp Speed, move considerably faster.

**Monster Rain**

IvanTih wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
IvanTih wrote:Nice try,trekkie IOM is technologicaly superior to Borg and Federation.
Borg aren't god like.

How so?

It takes years to travel across the Galaxy for the IoM, requiring witchcraft and possible daemonic incursion. Star Trek ships, which are faster even when they aren't at Warp Speed, move considerably faster.

Maybe in FTL(only Borg and few other races,other just use that slow ST Warp drive).

More advanced energy generation,better medicine,robotics,weapon(vortex weaponry),superior materials and bio technology.

Let's see... ST Warp Drive, at Warp 10, takes you 132 Light Years in one Month. Without the need for Voodoo.

Energy Generation? Romulans have a black hole powering every single one of their Warbirds so ST wins. Better medicine? In the IoM? You need to learn more about ST before you even try going down that road. There's way too much wrong with that statement for me to explain here. The other stuff just seems tacked on.

And again, matter doesn't penetrate deflector shields so the IoM can shoot missiles at the Borg all day, it won't bother them.

**Monster Rain**

Oh man, I misread the graphic.

Warp 10 allows you to exist everywhere in the universe simultaneously.

My bad. But still, ST> IoM. Here's the link.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Warp_factor

**Monster Rain**

IvanTih wrote:Are you slowed?

I'm not the one making personal attacks over something this silly, so no.

Go calm down for a bit.

IvanTih wrote:
AndrewC wrote:Firstly, the question about borg assimilation isn't really valid. Who care who or what borg can ssimilate, what has been clearly shown is that borg can and do assimilate humans and human technology with great rapidity and ease.

Secondly, whether or not borg can adapt to the directed energy weapons of the IoM doesn't matter, IoM has enough guns to really screw up their day.

Thirdly, teleporters, 40K adherents have absolutely no proof that void shields would stop borg teleporters, in the same way that borg adherents have no proof that they would be able to ignore them. We have a simple statement. Borg may teleport through shields. They have never shown any of the common limitations displayed by SF and I believe in one (early) episode it was stated that they didn't function in the same a federation teleporters did.

Since, for the purpose of the discussion we accept the abilities of each others 'races' this statement holds true in both universes. Ergo Borg, on the balance of probabilities, can teleport through void shields.

Fourthly, space combat, if a borg cube goes up against a IoM ship in head to head combat, sorry IoM wins. While I don't think that the cube has sufficent enough mass to detonate a direct effect warhead, it's going to have a lot of holes in it.

Lastly, Ivan please calm down, calling one side of an internet discussion a bunch of spankers I'm sure has already garnered complaints against you, and very possibly the exact same thing could be said of the 40K side.

Cheers

Andrew

I get angered when someone says that megaton level ships can go against teraton firepower ships.
Naval shoutguns will make fine red podwer of the Borg droness plus the ratings which are often recuited from hives.

You can get as mad as you want, Clarence.

It still won't change the fact that matter based weapons don't penetrate deflector shields.

**Monster Rain**

IvanTih wrote:
It still won't change the fact that matter based weapons don't penetrate deflector shields.

Give a quote that says that,a source.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Shields

Neither matter nor highly-concentrated energy could normally penetrate a shield. When shields are "up," or energized at a high level, most matter or energy that comes into contact with the shields will be harmlessly deflected away.

**Monster Rain**

A Retribution Class Battleship isn't nearly fast enough to get a broadside on a Borg Cube.

**Monster Rain**

Asherian Command wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

**Monster Rain**

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:A Retribution Class Battleship isn't nearly fast enough to get a broadside on a Borg Cube.

A Borg cube can fight at Warp Speed now? Okay, even then all the Retribution has to do is fire all shots in all directions (entirely possible with it's lance armanent) and odds are one will hit isomething.

Impulse speed is pretty fast.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Impulse

**Monster Rain**

Volume Schmolume!

You said

"They are not 28km", I provided you with a link that stated otherwise.

Whether it was length width or depth has little relevance.

Asherian Command wrote:
Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Yes because people armed with slik can beat imperail guardsmen who have the directly the same weaponry as the trekkies XD. Omg you forgot about terminators.... The Terminators would walk in bash everything in their way. And phasers would bounce off them

No teleporting through a shield.

**Monster Rain**

Cambak wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What? Lances do not go through planets. One lance cannot even take out an escort size vessel. A Standard issue borg cube is 28 square km. They're pretty tough. Plus they can have shields and armour.

Dude thats not true at all!
They are not 28 km!
THAT IS FREAKING RIDICULOUS!
A BLOODY EMPEROR CLASS SHIP IS THAT BIG!
Dude 28 km is too big.

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Borg_cube

28 Kilometers. Right there in Gray and White.

Big difference in volume than length and height. 28 kilometeres is not that big compared to to a Retribution class. Plus anyway the Imperail Ships range big time

Cambak wrote:I think you are all missing something here.

"Beam me up scotty!"

All they have to do is beam onto the Imperial Navies ships, neutralize/stun the screw and anti boarding parties, place a small bomb at/near the reactor and beam out.

Yes because people armed with slik can beat imperail guardsmen who have the directly the same weaponry as the trekkies XD. Omg you forgot about terminators.... The Terminators would walk in bash everything in their way. And phasers would bounce off them

If my guardsmen's Flash Lights can kill Termies (Which they have) I think phasers set to full power can too.

Gretchin with a pointy stick can kill a Terminator.

On that note, I'm bowing out. I'm starting to repeat myself.

**Monster Rain**

Samus_aran115 wrote:jeez. 4 pages in a couple hours? You guys are maniacs.

Thank you for that. I'm going outside!

IoM wins. What evs.

**Monster Rain**

Is that what the Shadows are? I have never watched Babylon 5 so I'm pretty clueless as far as their Technology is concerned.

**Monster Rain**

The Borg can time travel.

Just saying.

**Monster Rain**

IvanTih wrote:
Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

What's to dread?

I know ST would win, but I'm not going sit here and argue about it all day.

**Monster Rain**

IvanTih wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
IvanTih wrote:
Amaya wrote:Gotta love how people are using silly firepower information from barely canon picture books.

Of course the Imperium will 'win'. They have more 0s in their FP than everyone else.

Are you reffering to the SW ICS which is dreaded among the trekkies?

What's to dread?

I know ST would win, but I'm not going sit here and argue about it all day.

Because it makes ST an ant when compared to SW.
Basically it means that an Acclamator-class troop transport could solo entire ST galaxy if it had infinitive supplies.

No way. Nothing can withstand the Picard Maneuver.

**Monster Rain**

Golden Sabres wrote:And honestly!!! How does SW beat IoM???

They have Admiral Ackbar.

They'd always know if it was a trap or not.

**Monster Rain**

Amaya wrote:
Retribution wrote:Has anyone mentioned that the great Galactic Empire crumbled because of...ewoks

Yes, Luke and Vader killing the Emperor had nothing to do with it. And the Empire has definetly not continued to fight for the past 50 years. And the Alliance that defeated the Empire certainly didn't bounce the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Nope, not all.

Wait...

There's a SW story out side of the movies?

**Monster Rain**

Necroman wrote:And Star Trek's "omnipotents" are overrated.

Q can own anything except something that can also completely alter reality to the same level he can.

I think the Daleks would even have a hard time with him, considering he could just change how physics works and make all of their equipment break.