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The only ship that star wars has that would actually hurt the IoM is in fact the deathstar. Seriously. A guardsman could probably take a hit from those standard turbolasers. (sarcasm)
... the only thing i consider epic about star wars right now is the trailer for the old republic...
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I still say star wars is fine as long as you dont mind ramming as an option, as the star wars capital weapons are a joke. Ram a clone/droid frigate into a gothic ship and the gothic ship is in trouble though!

Except that, realistically, ship-based combat in space would take place at such long distances that ramming would never actually happen.

It is also worth noting that Exterminatus of a world perpetrated by the Imperium is not made with the standard Lance and macrocannon weaponry carried by Imperial Battlecruisers but with either a single warhead loaded with Life Eater virus that detonates within the planet's atmosphere, turning all organic matter into gas and sludge in a matter of hours across the planet by dissolving the molecular bonds of said life forms.
As a finishing touch however a single lance strike is applied from low orbit to ignite the atmosphere to turn the planet into an charred wasteland.

The other way is a small spread of cyclonic torpedoes wich catastrophicly break up a planet's tetonic plates and destabilizes it's mantle.. effectively sinking the landmasses in a churning sea of magama.

And these things are standard armaments..
When facing extreme threats the Imperium usually lifts a few bans and have the Mechanicum dig out ancient and forbidden weapons that has been locked away because they are too dangerous to have around, ranging from Vortex warheads on immense scale, experimental weaponsystems from mankinds past that cannot be repliated, Nanobot weaponsystems etc etc.

Well, ships in star wars move really fast when they hit hyperspeeds

Golden Sabres wrote:

del'Vhar wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:

del'Vhar wrote:
And if Replicators existed in the 40k universe they would likely be nigh unstoppable, if they ever managed to assimilate Tau tech or Titans it would probably be game over for the IoM

I'm assuming these are the stargate replicators. If so, owned. There are plenty of weapons in 40k that would completely destroy any replicator through brute force.

Yeah, for a while, then the replicators would become practically immune to said weapons.

Given that they are basically doubleplusgood robot tyranids (and yes, I just used newspeak) I think that the IoM would ultimately lose.

Oh not this crap again... they can't become immune to weaponry which completely vaporises their cells (also, which version are these? I remember that the ancients wiped the first version out with normal heat weaponry). I have seen arguments in similar nature about borg cubes. You CANNOT become immune to weaponry that does not have a frequency! Hence why normal SGC weaponry stuns them. The only reason they don't die is because they instantly replicate and heal their wound. If you were to get a weapon that ELIMINATES every cell, they won't be able to heal, and thus cease to exist.

True buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...
The replicators can eat ships...A few of them on any IoM spaceboat and guess what? Not IoM anymore! So plus +1 for the replis...unless the IoM is willing to destroy its own ships, which i doubt.

aka_tizz wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:

del'Vhar wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:

del'Vhar wrote:
And if Replicators existed in the 40k universe they would likely be nigh unstoppable, if they ever managed to assimilate Tau tech or Titans it would probably be game over for the IoM

I'm assuming these are the stargate replicators. If so, owned. There are plenty of weapons in 40k that would completely destroy any replicator through brute force.

Yeah, for a while, then the replicators would become practically immune to said weapons.

Given that they are basically doubleplusgood robot tyranids (and yes, I just used newspeak) I think that the IoM would ultimately lose.

Oh not this crap again... they can't become immune to weaponry which completely vaporises their cells (also, which version are these? I remember that the ancients wiped the first version out with normal heat weaponry). I have seen arguments in similar nature about borg cubes. You CANNOT become immune to weaponry that does not have a frequency! Hence why normal SGC weaponry stuns them. The only reason they don't die is because they instantly replicate and heal their wound. If you were to get a weapon that ELIMINATES every cell, they won't be able to heal, and thus cease to exist.

True buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...
The replicators can eat ships...A few of them on any IoM spaceboat and guess what? Not IoM anymore! So plus +1 for the replis...unless the IoM is willing to destroy its own ships, which i doubt.

Surely you remmember Macragge? The emperor class? What did that ship and it's crew do to save the IoM? If an emperor class would do this, then why not every ship that gets boarded by replicators? +1 for IoM. -1 for replicators.
The only threat from the stargate universe that I see is Tealc and O'neil for their badassery.

Actually, i was kind of expecting this type of answer.So, let's say the DO blow up all of their ships (or let's say they don't get all infected by replis, which leaves some ships).The process is basically this:

Replis infect IoM ship => IoM destroys it (or it suicides). Replis regrow faster than IoM can make more ships (elsewhere)=> IoM less ships, replis still there.

Unless the Imperium successfully blows all of their infested ships at once blocking the spread, which is ... highly unlikely, to say the least, and even if done, there is no way to know which ship was and which ship wasn't infected. They'd have to blow up all of them just to be sure

Goldes Sabres wrote:The only threat from the stargate universe that I see is Tealc and O'neil for their badassery.

On the other hand, though unlikely as well, i can totally relate to that. Teal'c is one badass indeed!

aka_tizz wrote:Actually, i was kind of expecting this type of answer.So, let's say the DO blow up all of their ships (or let's say they don't get all infected by replis, which leaves some ships).The process is basically this:

Replis infect IoM ship => IoM destroys it (or it suicides). Replis regrow faster than IoM can make more ships => IoM no ships, replis still there.

Unless the Imperium successfully blows all of their infested ships at once blocking the spread, which is ... highly unlikely, to say the least, and even if done, there is no way to know which ship was and which ship wasn't infected. They'd have to blow up all of them just to be sure

The thing is... there is none of this *spread*. If you detonate your warp drive, there is no wreckage, no nothing. The ship would be consumed and transported to the warp. Of course, vessels outside of the ship would be destroyed as well, and any left can be destoyed by Iom's standard ship-to-ship weaponry.

Although, I can see replicators winning. But I would imagine it would take thousands upon thousands of years. I mean, if the IoM can withstand a battering from races much more terrible than replicators for TEN THOUSAND years, they could hold them off for longer.

Golden Sabres wrote: The thing is... there is none of this *spread*

Actually, there is spread. Two ways, actually. First, them buggers can attach to other ships, so if any survivors try to escape via pod or anything else and then get picked up by another ship, they would spread, or they can do initiate exit on their own(making themselves small ships, then heading out - not farfetched, as they are capable of much smarter stuff)

Furthermore, they may actually survive a ship blowing up (i remember the episode where a repli survives a burning ship on re-entry, which isn't far from surviving a ship exploding)

The only way i see that they could be defeated would be the Mechanicum designing the same software that allowed them to get disabled, which i doubt they would, as that would be against their principles, but they still might do it though, or : engineering the galaxy-spanning wave that took all the Replicators out in SG:1 (hard to do, as IoM have no stargates and i don't think they have any means to do that galaxy-wide at the same time).

So i guess they could be taken out, just not the blow-them-all-up way. And even so, the Imperium would be even further weakened, maybe allowing other threats to take over and do the job.

Something which now popped my mind would be a nice Tyranid/Replicator alliance (i don't know, any of them assimilating the other?), which would most definitely the Imperium up

aka_tizz wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote: The thing is... there is none of this *spread*

Actually, there is spread. Two ways, actually. First, them buggers can attach to other ships, so if any survivors try to escape via pod or anything else and then get picked up by another ship, they would spread, or they can do initiate exit on their own(making themselves small ships, then heading out - not farfetched, as they are capable of much smarter stuff)

Furthermore, they may actually survive a ship blowing up (i remember the episode where a repli survives a burning ship on re-entry, which isn't far from surviving a ship exploding)

The only way i see that they could be defeated would be the Mechanicum designing the same software that allowed them to get disabled, which i doubt they would, as that would be against their principles, but they still might do it though, or : engineering the galaxy-spanning wave that took all the Replicators out in SG:1 (hard to do, as IoM have no stargates and i don't think they have any means to do that galaxy-wide at the same time).

So i guess they could be taken out, just not the blow-them-all-up way. And even so, the Imperium would be even further weakened, maybe allowing other threats to take over and do the job.

Something which now popped my mind would be a nice Tyranid/Replicator alliance (i don't know, any of them assimilating the other?), which would most definitely the Imperium up

With that signal, do you think maybe they could deliver it through the webway? If so, the IoM would have a chance. Course, they would have to ally themselves with eldar to accomplish this... And about the *spread* I was refering to, it was the warp drive detonation. As in I thought you refering to an actual explosion. You know, wreckage and such.

Also, don't replicators, if they are stranded in space, deactivate? And wait untill they can make it to a ship?

Frazzled wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:I honestly can't think of anything. Go Imperium.

1 ) Zentraedi (macross) 1MM ships, including 5 KM long capital ships. On a land war the Imperium wouldn't have a chance. Hyperspace jumps that cross the galaxy in days and are safe.
Invid (robotech) See above.

They suck in firepower compared to Imperium.
Only thing that they could do is to spam Imperium with those megaton level ships and to do raids vs Imperuim using their FTL.
Imperium has some(I estimate and remember 9 of 10 ships are merchant) 270,000 to 470,000 warp capable warships(number doesn't include merchant and civilian ships).
Imperial and SW Empire ships share similiar firepower,but Empire has strategic mobility(Hyperdrive) and production capability so they would win against the Imperium,but against whole 40k SW losed because of the Chaos and Necrons.


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STC_LogisEngine wrote:It is also worth noting that Exterminatus of a world perpetrated by the Imperium is not made with the standard Lance and macrocannon weaponry carried by Imperial Battlecruisers but with either a single warhead loaded with Life Eater virus that detonates within the planet's atmosphere, turning all organic matter into gas and sludge in a matter of hours across the planet by dissolving the molecular bonds of said life forms.
As a finishing touch however a single lance strike is applied from low orbit to ignite the atmosphere to turn the planet into an charred wasteland.

The other way is a small spread of cyclonic torpedoes wich catastrophicly break up a planet's tetonic plates and destabilizes it's mantle.. effectively sinking the landmasses in a churning sea of magama.

And these things are standard armaments..
When facing extreme threats the Imperium usually lifts a few bans and have the Mechanicum dig out ancient and forbidden weapons that has been locked away because they are too dangerous to have around, ranging from Vortex warheads on immense scale, experimental weaponsystems from mankinds past that cannot be repliated, Nanobot weaponsystems etc etc.

Ahem,read this.
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=125649

Replicators would lose horribly against Necrons.

Golden Sabres wrote:With that signal, do you think maybe they could deliver it through the webway? If so, the IoM would have a chance. Course, they would have to ally themselves with eldar to accomplish this... And about the *spread* I was refering to, it was the warp drive detonation. As in I thought you refering to an actual explosion. You know, wreckage and such.

Also, don't replicators, if they are stranded in space, deactivate? And wait untill they can make it to a ship?

Yes, allying themselves with the eldar might accomplish this.
Yes, the replicators could be destroyed by IoM. Just not the old fashioned way the imperium is used to fighting.
Yes, a warp drive could eradicate them. All of them or just some, that is subject to debate, and i don't think any of us could clarify this.

And yes, stranded in space they would deactivate until attaching to a ship...which would only postpone the inevitable. And with enough luck of finding a Craftworld ...well...nuff said.
Also, i wonder what the outcome of a replicator / necron encounter would be...that should be interesting enough, as i could easily see one side totally submissive to the other without much of a fight. And with the necron power and the replicator ability to multiply...

To conclude, i would say that if the Imperium chooses a traditional space battle, or fighting with regular weapons/lasers/space marines, they would definitely lose. However, they could win by other methods, but it would require the mechanicum to invent some really nasty stuff, which they failed to do during the last few thousand years...

aka_tizz wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:With that signal, do you think maybe they could deliver it through the webway? If so, the IoM would have a chance. Course, they would have to ally themselves with eldar to accomplish this... And about the *spread* I was refering to, it was the warp drive detonation. As in I thought you refering to an actual explosion. You know, wreckage and such.

Also, don't replicators, if they are stranded in space, deactivate? And wait untill they can make it to a ship?

Yes, allying themselves with the eldar might accomplish this.
Yes, the replicators could be destroyed by IoM. Just not the old fashioned way the imperium is used to fighting.
Yes, a warp drive could eradicate them. All of them or just some, that is subject to debate, and i don't think any of us could clarify this.

And yes, stranded in space they would deactivate until attaching to a ship...which would only postpone the inevitable. And with enough luck of finding a Craftworld ...well...nuff said.
Also, i wonder what the outcome of a replicator / necron encounter would be...that should be interesting enough, as i could easily see one side totally submissive to the other without much of a fight. And with the necron power and the replicator ability to multiply...

To conclude, i would say that if the Imperium chooses a traditional space battle, or fighting with regular weapons/lasers/space marines, they would definitely lose. However, they could win by other methods, but it would require the mechanicum to invent some really nasty stuff, which they failed to do during the last few thousand years...

Advancment in the Imperium exist,it's just slow.
I wonder what would Chaos Gods do,if Replicators went against them(Chaos will stomp them).
Replicators would just annoy Necrons(their bodies are nanotech and Necrodermis infestation is hard to get off planet,read Caves of Ice).

aka_tizz wrote:
And yes, stranded in space they would deactivate until attaching to a ship...which would only postpone the inevitable. And with enough luck of finding a Craftworld ...well...nuff said.

If they attached themselves to a craftworld, they may as well have shot themselves. Craftworlds are made of psychic materials which the Replicators would find..... yukky... It would be kind of hard to eat a ship when you have the souls of countless thousands (actually, they are countable) of souls, and the infinity circuits immune system ruthlessly hunting you down and destroying you.

The Voehn.

Any ship with armour 10K+ think has to be worth a shot.

But the real question would be how many culture ships would it take to destroy IoM?

Andrew

AndrewC wrote:The Voehn.

Any ship with armour 10K+ think has to be worth a shot.

But the real question would be how many culture ships would it take to destroy IoM?

Andrew

Not too many I think.
Culture ships throw out double digit petatons IIRC,while IOM ships throw triple-digit teratons at high end.

Interestingly, I wonder how ships equipped with General Products hulls (Ringworld) would hold up against 40k firepower, as they are reputed to be largely invincible vs anything other than visible light and gravitational forces.

While the Andromeda-verse is horribly underpowered to take on the 40k-verse due to the huge disparity in numbers (meaning inevitable destruction via attrition), the universe posess two very powerful technologies of note: (star system destroying) Novabombs and Singularity weapons, both of which when combined with FTL slipstream could result in devestating first strike and raid possibilities.

Except with the slip stream, you enter and exit at known points.

The Andromeda-verse is so splintered to throw up much of a fight against anything from 40k, each race in it is pretty much a shell of its former self.

From what I've read about the IOM Navy, it would that more then a star explodeing to take out those ships. It would be interesting to see though.

It's possible that the battletech universe, during or after the Clan invasion, could feasibly do it. The problem would be the Imperial Navy, but the Clans re-introduced rather advanced and powerful warships. At least the FTL travel in that universe is much more reliable than in the 40k universe, but whether or not the Clan warships could stand up to Imperial warships is something I would not bet upon.

In the battletech universe, was'nt the actual FTL drive one of our lost techs? I seem to remember something about there being an agreement between all of the houses and clans that said they wouldnt attack each others FTL transports. It could be I'm thinking of a different period in battletech.

The only thing I could see holding back the battletech universe is their weaponry.

Yes, though the Clans I think were able to produce it in their warships.

As far as mechs go though, I doubt any of the clans or the houses have a mech that is any larger the a Warhound.

Way to go though, now I want to play me some Battletech.

Alls I can think of is Necrons. They already have 3 awoken Star Gods, albeit one not doing much, ships that move so fast they cannot be detected, almost invincible warriors (according to fluff) and knows what else.

What?

Two awoken star gods, both of which can be defeated and forced to starve to death.

The third one woke up, got his ass handed to him, and now is imprisoned under Mars.

Moving thread to General Discussions.

Well, anyone capable of time travel could take out the Emperor before this whole thing started.

Also, the limited range and ROF of their weaponry could be a serious disadvantage. I mean a Lascannon shoots 4 feet, at 1/35 scale, that translates to 140 feet. An M14 rifle has an effective range of 1500 feet and a MUCH higher rate of fire. The only thing limiting the current US army from decimating the entire Imperium army is a lack of ammo

There isn't too much in traditional sci fi which can even come close to competing with the races in war hammer 40K, (except those scrubs the tau, who rely solely on plot armor)

I agree that Stargate has some of the only things that could potentially bother the imperium. I actually think that the Ori, from Stargate would give the Imperium a run for their money. The Priors seemed immensely powerful, as they are granted their powers from Ascended beings, and their warships seemed to be immune to even Asgard weapons. They are somewhat fundamentally inconsistent with the concept of the Warp however, which makes a direct comparison difficult. If we draw a conclusion that the Ancients are comparable to the old ones, and the Ori have the technology of the Ancients, I think they'd fight at a technological advantage to the Imperium, and even the Eldar. A tough opponent in conventional warfare to be sure.

While I don't watch any Anime any more, I'd argue that the some of that stuff is pretty OTT as well. Some of the Gundams from Gundam Wing seem like they are armed similarly to Titans. I don't have the numbers on those, or anything but they could give the ground forces a run for their money.

Ultimately though, the raw power of

Melissia wrote:What?

Two awoken star gods, both of which can be defeated and forced to starve to death.

The third one woke up, got his ass handed to him, and now is imprisoned under Mars.

Nice try,even if defeated they just phase to nearest Tomb World and in 41st Millenium galaxy is teeming with life.
Blackstone Fortress failed to destroy them.


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Grakmar wrote:Well, anyone capable of time travel could take out the Emperor before this whole thing started.

Also, the limited range and ROF of their weaponry could be a serious disadvantage. I mean a Lascannon shoots 4 feet, at 1/35 scale, that translates to 140 feet. An M14 rifle has an effective range of 1500 feet and a MUCH higher rate of fire. The only thing limiting the current US army from decimating the entire Imperium army is a lack of ammo

Game mechanics aren't used vs debate,that is one of the basic rules!

What is "The Culture"?