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Daemons don't really fit either of those definitions in 40k though, aside from them being "supernatural beings".

They're not evil, they're not good. They're mercurial forces, representing human emotions.

Also, I've located a Staypuft Marshmallow Man. This just might become glorious.

Let's be honest here: What is the stereotypical fantasy depiction of a demon?

A horned, malevolent made of selfish supernatural power that corrupts and seduces.

Now, if we took that exact same description, added an 'a' into the name, and put the result into 40K... How, exactly, would that be different from a warp demon?

EDIT: Also, the Staypuft Marshmallow Man is a God, not a daemon or demon.

"supernatural beings between mortals and gods, such as inferior divinities and ghosts of dead heroes".

That just about sums 40k daemons up. They're supernatural and amoral. They include heroes are raised up as daemons, or they're created as servants of their respective Gods, serving as an intermediary between mortals and Gods. And since neither we nor the cast of 40k are speaking greek, the anglicized 'daemon' is the proper term.

I wonder if it is possible for there to be a daemon that is not evil in the 40k universe......actually evil is a bit of a relative term in the 40k universe anyway.
I mean really the Imperium wants to destroy everything that is not human, Chaos just wants to destroy everything. So there is no good just maybe degrees of evil.

As a fellow "mildly liberal theologian" (I'm not sure what you mean by that but I think it could describe me) that is how I justify having a chaos army.
As far as explaining to an " anti Harry Potter relative" I think your best bet is not tell you play 40k..........

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:[
Try explaining that aspect of WH40k to an anti Harry Potter relative.

Of course, as a mildly liberal theologian, I do find the "Daemonic" side of WH40k a little troubling, mostly because of the name. I usually just call them "warplings of chaos", and be done with it. I know, it is a little bit silly, but I am just hardwired that way.

_Tim?

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

Jaon wrote:I think that daemons are supposed to signify everything that horrifies human beings, so naturally they are exactly what we picture as demons.

Try explaining that aspect of WH40k to an anti Harry Potter relative.

Of course, as a mildly liberal theologian, I do find the "Daemonic" side of WH40k a little troubling, mostly because of the name. I usually just call them "warplings of chaos", and be done with it. I know, it is a little bit silly, but I am just hardwired that way.

_Tim?

Say they're not Demons they're Daemons (say it as Day-mons) then BS your way to victory. Say that some evil god hating scientist transformed (using what he calls "evolution" ) some forest animals into these abominations and that by combining them as a force to march to war against the evil scientist they are doing god's work.

Why am I not amused? Seriously, man, I am trying to have a productive conversation here, not a flame war. I hate it when people troll.

Ach.

I didn't use Wikipedia, since I don't want to know what the definition of Daemon is, I wanted to know why GW didn't/cant think of a more original name.

_Tim?

I wasn't trolling, there was no flaming. >_>
Those people don't make much sense so the only way to really combat the unneeded hysteria, created from something like a weird looking plastic soldier apparently being an agent of Satan, is to simply fight it with something as ridiculous or just ignore it.

Also no idea as to why they didn't think up a different name. They are what they are seeing as the warp is basically hell or at least likened to at times.
Daemons are not the evil ones Demons apparently are. But to Christanity at the time all the other religions were bad and this was a way to attempt to scare more people into the faith.

With that I won't go further into it in case I offend some people and unintentionally start a flame war.

I am a proud conservative. I don't like Harry potter and i play 40k, Fantasy and FoW.


i do play WoC

Geemoney wrote:I wonder if it is possible for there to be a daemon that is not evil in the 40k universe......actually evil is a bit of a relative term in the 40k universe anyway.
I mean really the Imperium wants to destroy everything that is not human, Chaos just wants to destroy everything. So there is no good just maybe degrees of evil.

As a fellow "mildly liberal theologian" (I'm not sure what you mean by that but I think it could describe me) that is how I justify having a chaos army.
As far as explaining to an " anti Harry Potter relative" I think your best bet is not tell you play 40k..........

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:[
Try explaining that aspect of WH40k to an anti Harry Potter relative.

Of course, as a mildly liberal theologian, I do find the "Daemonic" side of WH40k a little troubling, mostly because of the name. I usually just call them "warplings of chaos", and be done with it. I know, it is a little bit silly, but I am just hardwired that way.

_Tim?

There are hints towards the presence of non evil warp entities. But whereas the chaos gods + daemons want to exert influence over the physical realm the neutral or possibly beneficent entities out there might likely be not into the whole possession and corruption thing. And only sparingly help those who prove themselves selfless and able to help themselves. Plus being so rare i think non evil warp powers have the numbers so stacked against them they don't want to draw attention to themselves and end up as yet another load of dead/imprisoned gods/entities like most if not all the Eldar gods.

Daemons are integral to the whole Warhammer 40k mythos. You play as a band of warrior-monks, ruled over by chaplains and librarians that worship the God Emperor. You chant prayers to help you purge and smite the unclean. Religion is central to every tactical squad.

You travel from planet to planet in flying cathedrals done up in the gothic style. Armor is covered with written prayers intended to ward off harm.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, you have the fallen battle brothers who rebelled against heaven and were cast down into the Eye of Hell- I mean terror. There, they dwell without the God emperor's light, worshipping their own emotions and greatness.

This is the setting of bastardized medieval Christiantiy in space. Back when t be a Christian meant you turned the other cheek only if there was some other dirty heretic in need of being cleansed by sword and blade. Followers of other faiths were viewed as insults to the Almighty. Those who worshipped God in different ways were probably heretics. Anything you didn't understand was heresy.

In 40k, all of this is true, except God's Throne is a cyberchair and the heretics are actually aliens, not just Moors and Muslims.

In such a setting, Daemons are called for, and ought to be given the religious connotation which you picked up on. Dark Eldar reek of torture and sadism. Daemons look unclean and warped, mutated out of the boundaries of an intelligent creator. That's their thing.

If you're not into it, don't play them! That's why I won't play Dark Eldar, gorgeous as the models are. I like my slaughter lighthearted. Then, whenever you see a Daemon, you will be trying to kill it. All of your relatives would be ok with that.