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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Blood Raven 5th Company wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:In addition, a lot of the sept worlds are under threat from an Ork Waaagh!, started after the T'au intervened to aid a bunch of Kroot who were about to get dragged into war with a Greenskin empire. It's known as the War of Dakka to the orks, I believe.

indeed it is.

the Orks have also adapted T'au technology to their own use(beware lootas with Railguns)

That is where commanders like Farsight come into the equasion (commander farsight trained his men to fight cc and went on a crusade against Orks)

Actually, Farsight was part of this war, and indeed was heavily beaten after he underestimated the greenskin's kunnin'. The T'au High Command evacuated him just before his command was overrun.

he is still alive is he not...

1. We don't know if he is still alive. Farsight could be the title of the Leader of the Enclaves now.

2. He din't say Farsight was killed. Just that he got the hell out of Dodge in time.


Edit: And yes I play Tau as my Only army and still feel this way. Try to find the Tau Empire on the Map of the Galaxy. It'll take a while.

Edit2: And I don't even know why Farsight keeps being brought up as "Uber orkbane guy" When It wasn't him, But Shadowsun that Defeated the orks.

Edit3: she also defeated a whole Hive fleet without losing a Single Ship. Complete BS? Yeah. Shows she makes Farsight look Bad? You know it.

Think of the Tau like the Native Americans and the Imperium as Europe. When Europeans came over and disturbed their life there was only a few hundred of them . . . . the native Americans had some success keeping them in check, until the next boats came. More and more Europeans came over until their numbers were unmanageable. The Native Americans at one point were committed to kicking the Europeans out, but some of the Natives went over to Europe (London I think). When they came back to their tribe the Travelers reported that there are more White people in one city then there are Natives In the World, and there is no way to keep that many people out of the Americas.

That is how the Tau see the Imperium. There are so many Humans on some worlds that they could overwhelm the Tau by numbers alone. (not even counting the space marines into the equation)

an interesting analog.


The T'au know the IoM is big and could squish them easily, but i doubt they realize just how frikkin big.


the T'au are one reason GW can't advance the plot. the T'au empire is backed into a corner. orks to the galactic north, Ultramar to the south, Nids from the east and below, and the IoM to the west.

all it takes is an Ork Waaagh or a tyranid invasion(that has learned from the original expierence fighting T'au) to wipe the floor with the T'au and move on.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:1. We don't know if he is still alive. Farsight could be the title of the Leader of the Enclaves now.

2. He din't say Farsight was killed. Just that he got the hell out of Dodge in time.


Edit: And yes I play Tau as my Only army and still feel this way. Try to find the Tau Empire on the Map of the Galaxy. It'll take a while.

Edit2: And I don't even know why Farsight keeps being brought up as "Uber orkbane guy" When It wasn't him, But Shadowsun that Defeated the orks.

Edit3: she also defeated a whole Hive fleet without losing a Single Ship. Complete BS? Yeah. Shows she makes Farsight look Bad? You know it.

Its not hard two find on a map, its right above ultimar (yes now i hear how bad that sounds)

I think they are like an oak tree sprouting in the middle of a shopping mall parking lot........if they a LOT of time they could be unbeatable, but the odds of them making it that long are crazy bad.

fortuitous events seem to keep the Tau around... it's all Deus Ex Machina plot holes on GWs part, but it's there so might as well run with it.

Tau'n first surveyed - sheltered by warp storms for 3000 years
IoM invades - Behemoth hits Ultramar
Gorgon invades - runs into Imperial Cadian XVIII army group and can't adapt fast enough to both Tau and Imperial Tactics
Just as Tau launch their 3 sphere expansion, Armageddon and 13th Black Crusade campaigns erupt drawing reinfrocements away.

Is anyone else seeing a pattern?

I got it. Tyranids ate enough Tau that the Hive Mind believes in the Greater Good.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:fortuitous events seem to keep the Tau around... it's all Deus Ex Machina plot holes on GWs part, but it's there so might as well run with it.

Tau'n first surveyed - sheltered by warp storms for 3000 years
IoM invades - Behemoth hits Ultramar
Gorgon invades - runs into Imperial Cadian XVIII army group and can't adapt fast enough to both Tau and Imperial Tactics
Just as Tau launch their 3 sphere expansion, Armageddon and 13th Black Crusade campaigns erupt drawing reinfrocements away.

Is anyone else seeing a pattern?

The last one went "Armageddon and 13th Black Crusade campaigns erupt drawing reinfrocements away, Tau take advantage launch their 3 sphere expansion."

I can't see any reason why the Tau shouldn't be last man standing, as you as you don't deny their capability for swift technology development by some sort of Deus ex machina.

Chaos -- Crushed by galaxy wide Geller Field
IoM -- Collapsed from internal contradictions and revolt when deprived of Chaos.
Orks -- Genetically engineered by a genetically engineered virus which removes their aggressive tendencies.
Eldar -- Formed an alliance when they saw the way everything was going.
Dark Eldar -- Wiped out by combined Tau/Eldar expedition.
Necrons -- Wiped out by a nano plague which rots living metal, combined with a computer trojan work which wipes their data cores.
Tyranids -- Wiped out by a combination of genetically engineered viruses which overwhelm their ability to adapt.

This sort of idea can be denied by saying things like "Orks were genetically engineered not to be genetically engineerable". OK, why bother to have discussions of this sort?

To flip things, most of the other factions have had centuries or millenia to get their act together and have failed. That doesn't mean a brand new faction with new methods could not succeed.

All this is irrelevant, though, since GW don't advance the timeline.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:fortuitous events seem to keep the Tau around... it's all Deus Ex Machina plot holes on GWs part, but it's there so might as well run with it.

Tau'n first surveyed - sheltered by warp storms for 3000 years
IoM invades - Behemoth hits Ultramar
Gorgon invades - runs into Imperial Cadian XVIII army group and can't adapt fast enough to both Tau and Imperial Tactics
Just as Tau launch their 3rd sphere expansion, Armageddon and 13th Black Crusade campaigns erupt drawing reinforcements away.

Is anyone else seeing a pattern?

Oh , there is a pattern

The "new guys" got some protection from GW.
But deus et machina isn't possible forever....


The Tau won't be the last army standing as they need plot armor from GW to survive. IMO any contender for last standing has to be able to handle its survival
in this eternal war setting alone. Tau need to be saved ( quoted post above ) and have to recrut to fill gaps in their abilities so any major problem of a caste/ally
would severly threathen their existence.

Lucid wrote:Think of the Tau like the Native Americans and the Imperium as Europe. When Europeans came over and disturbed their life there was only a few hundred of them . . . . the native Americans had some success keeping them in check, until the next boats came. More and more Europeans came over until their numbers were unmanageable. The Native Americans at one point were committed to kicking the Europeans out, but some of the Natives went over to Europe (London I think). When they came back to their tribe the Travelers reported that there are more White people in one city then there are Natives In the World, and there is no way to keep that many people out of the Americas.

That is how the Tau see the Imperium. There are so many Humans on some worlds that they could overwhelm the Tau by numbers alone. (not even counting the space marines into the equation)

Then again the Europeans weren't being eaten by bugs and fighting orks all over the place

And to the topic it's not as if Tau are the only ones with amazing plot-armor...

The Tau are interesting in that, along with the Eldar, they're the only other "rational" faction that exists for the Imperium. All three of these factions have much greater chances of allying than most of the others.

However, the Tau as they are right now are too limited in their FTL travel to really do anything, even if their tech is nice.

Lucid wrote:Think of the Tau like the Native Americans and the Imperium as Europe. When Europeans came over and disturbed their life there was only a few hundred of them . . . . the native Americans had some success keeping them in check, until the next boats came. More and more Europeans came over until their numbers were unmanageable. The Native Americans at one point were committed to kicking the Europeans out, but some of the Natives went over to Europe (London I think). When they came back to their tribe the Travelers reported that there are more White people in one city then there are Natives In the World, and there is no way to keep that many people out of the Americas.

That is how the Tau see the Imperium. There are so many Humans on some worlds that they could overwhelm the Tau by numbers alone. (not even counting the space marines into the equation)

No.

And the superior technology, diseases, and aggressive expansionism helped.