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WarOne wrote:

Dracos wrote:Burnas are actually great assault terminator killers. They are great at killing any non-MC/vehicle TBH. They are fragile for their points, so you have to use them wisely.

I would probably use the burnas to template over termies, and if any survive I would then engage them in melee.

Unfortunate for burna boyz, a five man squad of CC-equipped Termies will usually eat them for lunch, even if the boyz get the charge.

Yea my rule of thumb is, if its normal termies, then Ill assault them with burna boyz, those guys are too easy to down with the boyz. LC or TH/SS termies Ill burn from a vehicle if I can. Those guys are too tough to assault. That would be a last ditch effort kindda move (assaulting them I mean)

Burna boyz should do fine against TH/SS termies, just stay away from LC termies.

I spread my threats out. Burnas in one wagon, KFF in another with Boyz, Ghazghull with boyz in another and Nobs in one by themselves. This way my opponent has a hard time deciding which is target priority.

I use my trukks and wagons to herd units into nice tight groups then roll up the burnas to make them do the Burny Dance. I think my highest hit total was vs. Kroot Mercenaries in a tournament couple months back. I dunno what the unit was but it had a ton of hounds and Kroots. Hit them for 135 hits. My opponent didnt understand the rules on open-topped and templates... he looked at me and said "how many hits? what did you just say?"

General_Chaos wrote:I spread my threats out. Burnas in one wagon, KFF in another with Boyz, Ghazghull with boyz in another and Nobs in one by themselves. This way my opponent has a hard time deciding which is target priority.

I use my trukks and wagons to herd units into nice tight groups then roll up the burnas to make them do the Burny Dance. I think my highest hit total was vs. Kroot Mercenaries in a tournament couple months back. I dunno what the unit was but it had a ton of hounds and Kroots. Hit them for 135 hits. My opponent didnt understand the rules on open-topped and templates... he looked at me and said "how many hits? what did you just say?"

^ I like this.

I actually make my burnas work for their kills.

They have to 'slogg it across the field just like most of my other Ork units; but that does not necessarily make them easy targets. I use 2 trukks; 1 with 10 Slugga boyz including their PK nob, and the other full of PK Nobz. Then their is a Boomgun looted wagon; and the 11 Bikers to add to the "must be killed soon" list; and the 3 other 20-Ork Boyz mobs rushing forward and shooting. Finally there are the 10 Lootas sitting in the backfield shooting at the enemies transports/units.

96 infantry, 11 bikes, and 3 Vehicles; all knowing their rolls, and all rushing at the enemy as fast as they can.

I have also learned that with this list; there is no such thing as objective missions, If da boss wants da boyz to take da hill, da boyz'll just kill anybody in the outlying area(my only available options are: Table or lose, unless i get really lucky). I have actually taken far more casualties by not playing incredibly aggressively with this army than I have throwing everything i had at the enemy in an attempt to table my opponent.

Kommissar Kel wrote:I actually make my burnas work for their kills.

They have to 'slogg it across the field just like most of my other Ork units; but that does not necessarily make them easy targets. I use 2 trukks; 1 with 10 Slugga boyz including their PK nob, and the other full of PK Nobz. Then their is a Boomgun looted wagon; and the 11 Bikers to add to the "must be killed soon" list; and the 3 other 20-Ork Boyz mobs rushing forward and shooting. Finally there are the 10 Lootas sitting in the backfield shooting at the enemies transports/units.

96 infantry, 11 bikes, and 3 Vehicles; all knowing their rolls, and all rushing at the enemy as fast as they can.

I have also learned that with this list; there is no such thing as objective missions, If da boss wants da boyz to take da hill, da boyz'll just kill anybody in the outlying area(my only available options are: Table or lose, unless i get really lucky). I have actually taken far more casualties by not playing incredibly aggressively with this army than I have throwing everything i had at the enemy in an attempt to table my opponent.

So your list only works in Annihilation?

Hmmm....

I've been wanting to test out burnas for a long time, since I don't have 15 of them, I've avoided it, but might try it out in a pick up game, the potential for 45 power weapon attacks is too good to pass up! (not to mention 150 flamer hits to a tac squad....extreme I know but just sounds....orky!)

And the best tactic against the stated assault termie squad would most likely be to just lay down the 15 templates and hope for max hits...
5x15 = 75 hits! thats 37.5 wounds! round it down and they have to make 37 saves...even rounding down to 30 means on average that's 5 wounds, enough for the squad.

That is, of course an example of a perfect case, I don't think any SM player would leave it so his termies can be put in such a situation.

Question: a wagon ramming 6" or less, can they still fire from it? My book is not on me and it's been over a year since I would have had to think of this, I doubt it, but if so that could be fun!

The_Savior wrote:So your list only works in Annihilation?

Hmmm....

No, not at all; it just only works when I focus on tabling my opponent instead of grabbing and holding objectives.

It only meets the standard mission requirements in Annihilation missions, but remember Tabling your opponent always = Win(Wipeout, page 90, BRB).

Greenbay: First paragraph of ramming on page 69 says; absolutely not. As you had said "wagon" there are 2 different "wagons" Battle and looted; Looted has the special rule "don't press dat" which can force it to Ram/Tank shock(Moves straight forward max distance, stopping if is would hit an impassible terrain piece or friendly unit) If you are forced to stop early(or even not actually move do to using ork boy-roadblocks) you still count as having made a full-distance move and therefore cannot shoot.

greenbay924 wrote:I've been wanting to test out burnas for a long time, since I don't have 15 of them, I've avoided it, but might try it out in a pick up game, the potential for 45 power weapon attacks is too good to pass up! (not to mention 150 flamer hits to a tac squad....extreme I know but just sounds....orky!)

And the best tactic against the stated assault termie squad would most likely be to just lay down the 15 templates and hope for max hits...
5x15 = 75 hits! thats 37.5 wounds! round it down and they have to make 37 saves...even rounding down to 30 means on average that's 5 wounds, enough for the squad.

That is, of course an example of a perfect case, I don't think any SM player would leave it so his termies can be put in such a situation.

Question: a wagon ramming 6" or less, can they still fire from it? My book is not on me and it's been over a year since I would have had to think of this, I doubt it, but if so that could be fun!

Dropping the templates against 2+ armor saves is only good if you're going to drop about more than 75 or more. That's why it's better to assault terminators if they swing at their initiative 1. However if you want to be safe, burn a few down.

Yeah if they don't move more than 6, so if you got RPJ you can move 7, and then fire the Wagon's guns if any, and the weapons of its passengers. Also remember it's an Open-Topped Vehicle so choose the best angle for the template, drop it and have fun.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

The_Savior wrote:So your list only works in Annihilation?

Hmmm....

No, not at all; it just only works when I focus on tabling my opponent instead of grabbing and holding objectives.

It only meets the standard mission requirements in Annihilation missions, but remember Tabling your opponent always = Win(Wipeout, page 90, BRB).

I would like to see your list, because I sense not many templates are in your meta, and I'm not basing it either. I'm curious, so please send it in a PM. But if you successfully table your opponents then awesome man.

Burnas are wonderful. Nuf' said.

@The-Savior yeah, it always comes down to numbers advantage.

One trick I've wanted to try with them, is use just enough power weapon burnas in close combat to get the squad you're fighting against to 1-2 models, then on their turn finish them off so you can high tail it back to your transport to avoid enemy fire.

greenbay924 wrote:@The-Savior yeah, it always comes down to numbers advantage.

One trick I've wanted to try with them, is use just enough power weapon burnas in close combat to get the squad you're fighting against to 1-2 models, then on their turn finish them off so you can high tail it back to your transport to avoid enemy fire.

I've done that before... of course this requires to know, where your vehicle is at, what direction it's facing, where the enemies' weapons have LOS on and so forth.

I was lucky to have a wrecked wagon providing a screen for my other wagon. I pivoted my other wagon to be facing front armor at all oncoming shots. Disembarked shoot at the enemy squad with my wagon's Big Shoota, Ghaz's Big Shoot; got them down to 2, and then assault for the kill, and consolidate back to the wagon to reembark the next turn.

150 hits is my personal best
Black Templars in a drop pod. Scattered badly and the melta didnt crack the battlewagon. Next turn drive up and covered 10. There was also an emperor champion somewhere in there I think

sn0zcumb3r wrote:150 hits is my personal best
Black Templars in a drop pod. Scattered badly and the melta didnt crack the battlewagon. Next turn drive up and covered 10. There was also an emperor champion somewhere in there I think

Well that's just amazing, my current best was what I stated up above. 45 :/ Then again 45 hits on 3 guys from a BT Dev Squad is awesome.
(Mind you only 3 guys were left. So it was getting hot in there.)

Fafnir wrote:Burna boyz should do fine against TH/SS termies, just stay away from LC termies.

Thats true they should, but personally I try to make the most out of my units, and hoping that termies fail a 4+ gets me a little shaky. Granted most the time you see termies they are in 5s and a full mob of burnas should smoke them, Im just saying with them make sure, its a sure thing. Because if they survive its going to hurt. And I like burna boyz to kill more then 1 unit

The_Savior wrote:

General_Chaos wrote:I spread my threats out. Burnas in one wagon, KFF in another with Boyz, Ghazghull with boyz in another and Nobs in one by themselves. This way my opponent has a hard time deciding which is target priority.

I use my trukks and wagons to herd units into nice tight groups then roll up the burnas to make them do the Burny Dance. I think my highest hit total was vs. Kroot Mercenaries in a tournament couple months back. I dunno what the unit was but it had a ton of hounds and Kroots. Hit them for 135 hits. My opponent didnt understand the rules on open-topped and templates... he looked at me and said "how many hits? what did you just say?"

^ I like this.

I too like it. That gets most people the first time around. Thats why its funny when you use them for the first time on somebody. Just takes the smile off their face. AFter that, its when Burna boyz are scarier then a Thraka charge

KingCracker wrote:

Fafnir wrote:Burna boyz should do fine against TH/SS termies, just stay away from LC termies.

Thats true they should, but personally I try to make the most out of my units, and hoping that termies fail a 4+ gets me a little shaky. Granted most the time you see termies they are in 5s and a full mob of burnas should smoke them, Im just saying with them make sure, its a sure thing. Because if they survive its going to hurt. And I like burna boyz to kill more then 1 unit

The_Savior wrote:

General_Chaos wrote:I spread my threats out. Burnas in one wagon, KFF in another with Boyz, Ghazghull with boyz in another and Nobs in one by themselves. This way my opponent has a hard time deciding which is target priority.

I use my trukks and wagons to herd units into nice tight groups then roll up the burnas to make them do the Burny Dance. I think my highest hit total was vs. Kroot Mercenaries in a tournament couple months back. I dunno what the unit was but it had a ton of hounds and Kroots. Hit them for 135 hits. My opponent didnt understand the rules on open-topped and templates... he looked at me and said "how many hits? what did you just say?"

^ I like this.

I too like it. That gets most people the first time around. Thats why its funny when you use them for the first time on somebody. Just takes the smile off their face. AFter that, its when Burna boyz are scarier then a Thraka charge

Yes, it was nice... the sad thing I must confess, is that one day me and my friend were playing a local. It was one of his first few games, where his opponents weren't cheating him out. Our main guy asked us to "take it easy" which we did, however it was also my first time using burnas. I have to say his first terminator squad wasn't happy and neither was he.

I have to say I hate burna boys, only because at my FLGS, somoen runs the triple battlewagon build and it just wrecked my Chaos Marines right up >.<

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:I have to say I hate burna boys, only because at my FLGS, somoen runs the triple battlewagon build and it just wrecked my Chaos Marines right up >.<

That's what I do.

The_Savior wrote:

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:I have to say I hate burna boys, only because at my FLGS, somoen runs the triple battlewagon build and it just wrecked my Chaos Marines right up >.<

That's what I do.

The funny thing is that burna boyz did not get the love they get today until people started realizing-

Space Marine Player- "Hey, aren't Battlewagons open topped?"

Ork Player- "Yeah, why do you ask?"

SMP- "Well, since it is open topped, you could fire templates from any part of the hull unlike a Defiler or a closed topped space marine transport, especially since RaW kinda forbids it."

OP- "So?"

SMP- "Soooo...don't you have an entire unit of boyz that can all fire templates?"

(Ork player gets slowly widening grin on face)

WarOne wrote:

The_Savior wrote:

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:I have to say I hate burna boys, only because at my FLGS, somoen runs the triple battlewagon build and it just wrecked my Chaos Marines right up >.<

That's what I do.

The funny thing is that burna boyz did not get the love they get today until people started realizing-

Space Marine Player- "Hey, aren't Battlewagons open topped?"

Ork Player- "Yeah, why do you ask?"

SMP- "Well, since it is open topped, you could fire templates from any part of the hull unlike a Defiler or a closed topped space marine transport, especially since RaW kinda forbids it."

OP- "So?"

SMP- "Soooo...don't you have an entire unit of boyz that can all fire templates?"

(Ork player gets slowly widening grin on face)

I've had that grin before too... it's so funny, when you realize something about your army.

I always make a list, and my friend who plays mech guard which is a tough match-up is always down to play.

So, for me to bring the tide to him, and utilize my units to their potential, really shows what's what in the game.

So far, he's very fond of the Burnas and the Nob squad of death.

Yea, Im still a rather big fan of Nob Death Squads. Seriously there isnt ANYTHING in the game that is completely safe from that. They can be tooled in so many ways, and just bring the pain everytime. Hell when Im teaching people how to play, Ill just give nobs a super duper basic set up with NO thought of wound allocation, and even STILL they can take a beating and kill things. I just love them.

KingCracker wrote:Yea, Im still a rather big fan of Nob Death Squads. Seriously there isnt ANYTHING in the game that is completely safe from that. They can be tooled in so many ways, and just bring the pain everytime. Hell when Im teaching people how to play, Ill just give nobs a super duper basic set up with NO thought of wound allocation, and even STILL they can take a beating and kill things. I just love them.

Nobz are <3

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