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PrometheusZero wrote:
Don't forget that models cannot assault the turn they disembark from a vehicle unless that vehicle has the 'Assault Vehicle' special rule (ie land raiders etc etc). If you are thinking of Ork Trukks, these are not assault vehicles so those 12 boys can move 6" and shoot, or move 12", disembark and shoot. The disadvantage being that disembarked orks are vulnerable to flamers and the like. They cannot assault however, as they just dont cost enough points to be that amazing.

Remember, its not you make the rules fit the fluff. You come up with the rules first and then write the fluff to fit them!

Open-topped vehicles count as assault vehicles. Trucks are open-topped, ergo, you can assault out of them.

sn0zcumb3r wrote:@ nostromo riiiiight....

It is on page 66 and the paragraph says:
"Models firing from a vehicle .... may not fire at all if the vehicle has moved at Cruising speed that turn"

Nowhere does it state that this counts for fire ports only.

This is correct. The absence of the term fire points means it applies to open-topped vehicles.

pinkcarson wrote:

Spetulhu wrote:

pinkcarson wrote:The rule on page 66 (paragraph 10) that "models may not fire at all if the vehicle moved at cruising speed that turn" is under the FIRE POINTS section.

And the first sentence of the OPEN-TOPPED section (page 70, paragraph 2) says "Open-topped vehicles do not have specific fire points."

So since nothing says when the passengers may fire they can't fire at all. Simple solution.

Or just assume that the lines about using the normal rules if the vehicle type doesn't say different apply.

Well, the second sentence of OPEN-TOPPED says "Instead, all passengers in an open-topped vehicle may fire, measuring range and line of sight from the hull of the vehicle." So if everyone can fire, and the vehicle doesn't use fire points, why is the 6" rule under fire points applied?

when it uses the word Instead, and talks about fire points that means all the previously mentioned rules regarding shooting from a vehicle apply, except in the instance of fire points there is no limitation on how many embarked models may fire from the vehicle.

As the only rule for models firing from a vehicle is mentioned, then directly followed up on under open topped vehicles the same rules apply for vehicles with fire points as open topped. The only difference is that instead of being limited by the number of fire points you may have all models embarked fire if allowed to by weapon profile.

Ok so Dark Eldar can NOT move 12 inches and fire out of transports?

I think its supposed to be representative of the vehicle zipping around so fast and bouncing around too much for anyone in the transport to effectively aim their weapons. (But you can still be sure all the Orks inside are screaming and firing wildly into the air 8) )

cgage00 wrote:Ok so Dark Eldar can NOT move 12 inches and fire out of transports?

They CANNOT, as the rules for firing out of vehicles stops you doing,

PrometheusZero wrote:Don't forget that models cannot assault the turn they disembark from a vehicle unless that vehicle has the 'Assault Vehicle' special rule (ie land raiders etc etc). If you are thinking of Ork Trukks, these are not assault vehicles so those 12 boys can move 6" and shoot, or move 12", disembark and shoot. The disadvantage being that disembarked orks are vulnerable to flamers and the like. They cannot assault however, as they just dont cost enough points to be that amazing.

The fifth sentence in the OPEN-TOPPED TRANSPORT VEHICLES section says "the passengers of open-topped vehicles may assault, even if the vehicle has moved before their disembarkation." In this case Ork Trukks and DE Raiders are Open-topped vehicles and therefore "assault vehicles".

Ah thats wrong, - open topped vehicles - "the passengers of an open topped vehicle may assault even if that vehicle has moved before their disembarkation."

p 70 under open topped transport vehicles.


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Oh sorry I was too slow

PrometheusZero wrote:Don't forget that models cannot assault the turn they disembark from a vehicle unless that vehicle has the 'Assault Vehicle' special rule (ie land raiders etc etc). If you are thinking of Ork Trukks, these are not assault vehicles so those 12 boys can move 6" and shoot, or move 12", disembark and shoot. The disadvantage being that disembarked orks are vulnerable to flamers and the like. They cannot assault however, as they just dont cost enough points to be that amazing.

Remember, its not you make the rules fit the fluff. You come up with the rules first and then write the fluff to fit them!

They can however assault out of an open topped vehicle which a trukk just to happens to be..battlewagons as well!

EDIT: seems I was ninja'd several times!

coredump wrote:

pinkcarson wrote:

coredump wrote:The rule says you can't shoot, it doesn't say you can't shoot out of Fire Points.

I think the thing that I'm hung up on is that the rule that says you can't shoot, is the last paragraph of the FIRE POINT section. As I said before, if there were in a generic TRANSPORT section I wouldn't have issue.

But that is not uncommon with the rules. Fire Points is the section that it first became relevant, so they included it there, they stated it as a general rule, not one specific to Fire Points. It didn't warrant its own section of the rules, but still applies generally.

Exactly. Similar to the casualty removal rules being in the Shooting section of the book. The fact that they're in that section doesn't mean you don't remove casualties in Assault.