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Well, I already played a game (vs. UM) with the new Haemies and the Wracks.
What I can say is that they are absolutely worth their points.
However, I'd give the Haemies only venom blades and liquifieguns. Cheap and effective.

I haven't gotten a chance to test my newly revised list, but I'm itching too I suspect the Agonizers will make quick work of the enemy in CC. Now that I think about, perhaps too fast. . .hmmmmm. . .especially after burning through several of them with Liquifiers. . .I may well go back to the drawing board and try those Venom Blades. Just enough to add a couple extra wounds but not enough to eliminate a unit perhaps. . .

If I were to take the Agonizers from the Haemonculi and swap them with Venom Blades I would have 65 points to play with. That's two Crucibles and a Dark Gate. Not a bad trade off really. It would give me some type of defense against psykers

Yeah, that seems worth it.
In my experience 2 liquifiers and a unit of wracks with FC don't need much help to deal with MEQ's.
While the Agonizer might help vs Termies, you are likely to kill them more through volume of wounds then due to the agonizer anyhow.
I think your hypothesis of keeping the wounds a bit lower makes sense as well, so you can stay out of getting shot. and since it gives you a huge bonus to your psyker defense, it seems like a nice tradeoff.

Haemies are not worth wielding an agonizer.
They just die too quickly.

Yeah, it's a done deal at this point I'll write up another revised and appended list and post it here


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Okay, I think this is it! I think this list is pretty d@mn good, and now sitting neatly at 1500. It's good stuff

HQ: 325
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade, Crucible of Malediction (85)
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade, Crucible of Malediction (85)
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade, Dark Gate (90)
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade (65)

TROOPS : 800
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields (200)
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields (200)
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields (200)
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields (200)

HEAVY: 375
Ravager, Flickerfields, Night Shields (125)
Ravager, Flickerfields, Night Shields (125)
Ravager, Flickerfields, Night Shields (125)

TOTAL: 1500

Well, you can only take a single Crucible, as it is marked by an asterisk.

As for Shattershard, did you not see the part where it says "no saves of any kind"? Yea, that is a beastly piece of gear. Sure, wound test sounds not so great, but do it against GEQ and they will sob. Even Marines fail 33% of the time. Put the template down just right and they will be hurting, especially since it can take down Terminators as easily as a Tac Marine.

What does this army have for specialist infantry? What if you see a Squad of Terminators (rare, I know). Or a squad with all power weapons or some such? I think a single squad of Wyches would be pretty good for that, unless you are 100% set on theme.

yeah, I caught that Ill have to make another revision

Vs. Terminators, you have 13 dark lances or 8 liquifier guns (AP 2 or less 1/3 of the time), or 30 attacks with rerollable 4+ wounds on the charge. All of those seem to be reasonable answers imo.

That sounds good, but having a single unit of Wyches would be nice to meet them on your own terms if you can't hit them with Lances, etc. Just my opinion.

This is a themed list Coven of the Black Soul, sir There's no alternative There' no Wyches in this army!

Well, I'd give the Haemies venom blades and liquifierguns, nothing else, eventually the animus vitae.
But that's it. Everything else is not really worth it.

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I'd give the Haemies venom blades and liquifierguns, nothing else, eventually the animus vitae.
But that's it. Everything else is not really worth it.

At this point value, I agree. 1750+, some of the other gear gets useful. Crucible, Shattershard, Hexrifles, etc. All useful. Here, lean and mean seems best.

em_en_oh_pee wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I'd give the Haemies venom blades and liquifierguns, nothing else, eventually the animus vitae.
But that's it. Everything else is not really worth it.

At this point value, I agree. 1750+, some of the other gear gets useful. Crucible, Shattershard, Hexrifles, etc. All useful. Here, lean and mean seems best.

If a Haemi dies, let him. He is a force multiplier due to his pain token. The liquifier gun can have some serious impact but maybe there is none.
In the test game last Saturday, I rolled a 2 for AP. There were 3 Termies under the flamer template but none of them got wounded. Too bad.

Updated, once again!

HQ: 325
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade, Crucible of Malediction (85)
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade (65)
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade, Dark Gate (90)
Haemonculus, Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade (65)

TROOPS : 800
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields, Shock Prow (205)
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields, Shock Prow (205)
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields, Shock Prow (205)
Wracks x9, Acothyst, Agonizer, Liquifier Gun, Raider, Flickerfields, Shock Prow (205)

HEAVY: 375
Ravager, Flickerfields, Night Shields (125)
Ravager, Flickerfields, Night Shields (125)
Ravager, Flickerfields, Night Shields (125)

TOTAL: 1500

I've decided to give the shock prows a shot. After my rediculous game yesterday, a game in which I spent most of the first three turns rolling consequtive 1's and 2's , I've decided that perhaps ramming the crap out of enemy vehicles might not be a terrible thing

Ramming with paper thin skimmers?
Well, not really my taste.
The rest of the army looks quite good.
I'd give one Haemi the animus vitae.

I'd think the shock prows would be useful more for tankshocking units into clumps prior to using the liquifier guns vs. ramming.

Somtimes you've got a Raider, that's missing it's lance, just floating around without any passengers. I would imagine a 36" Missile doing some damage. I believe I still get Flickerfield saves as well, becuase it's an Invulnerable save Please, correct me if I'm wrong and halt my delusions of grandeur now! It could be pretty epic Here's the thing about paper thin AV Raiders. . .they're paper thin. . .they're going to blow up to just about anything that hit's them So, I'm really not worried about ramming. And, perhaps, they'll take something down with'em in a ram. Of course, this all needs to be field tested. But, we shall see.