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St D weapons are St D throughout the whole template.

VikingScott wrote:St D weapons are St D throughout the whole template.

Oh, I know. The rules I use for my Imperial Leviathan has a STR D Apocalyptic Blast template for the Doomsday cannon. It once took out five Leman Russ tanks in a single shot. That's why I say it's overkill for this tank

Now the 7 inch blast template at STR D might work....

R48", Str D, AP2, Ordnance, Massive Blast*
*If the shot does not hit any models, you may place a region of difficult and dangerous terrain at the location of the blast marker, to represent the huge crater created by the explosion.

IMHO that seems reasonably balanced.

Xca|iber wrote:R48", Str D, AP2, Ordnance, Massive Blast*
*If the shot does not hit any models, you may place a region of difficult and dangerous terrain at the location of the blast marker, to represent the huge crater created by the explosion.

IMHO that seems reasonably balanced.

That's getting better

So what are people's votes for the combined fire: STR 10, AP2, Apocalypic Blast (10" template) or STR D, Massive Blast (7" template)?

i'd vote for the strength D one to be honest

Same here. have you actually made modesl of these beasts? Pics would be much appreciated. The Siege Breaker sounds ripe for a conversion for an Iron Warriors army. /drool.

Are both Turrets Primary Weapons?


Actually, you don't HAVE TO combine all 4 Shots into a single Plate, right?
Because that would be worse if you want to kill Landraiders, Monoliths n Stuff with a single salvo


Anyway, I'm strongly AGAINST STR D, as it makes the concept of Stormsword Tanks redundant. (Stormsword Cannon is 36" S10 Ap1 10" Blast, ignore Cover, Primary Weapon)
There is a reason why STR D 10" Templates are limited to Warlord-Size Titans...
Besides, Fluff-wise I always thought STR D would be "limited" to energy-weapons and the like.... Eldar Cobra Cannon, Volcano Cannon, Laser-Blaster, probably Tau Railgun (bringing a projectile near the Speed of Light).... not for something as "basic" as a detonating shell...

And:
I don't want another Weapon that Ignores Cover..

I'd suggest for a Combined Shot:
Use the Apocalypse Barrage Template with 4 Shots and probably give it some kind of "twin-linked", i.e. reroll which area of the template is hit by a shot.

Maybe something extra like " if 1 shot penetrates, no bonus, if 2 shots penetrate, the second gets +1 on the damage chart, the 3rd +2, the 4rd +3 on the damage chart"

@ Praxiss: Pics: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326420.page

If it's already St10 why not make it coutn as marker shots when you combine them?


For example: both cannons target one tank. Resolve the scatter on the first shot as nromal, but the machien spirit in the tank then uses the data from the first shot to land the remaining 3 shots on the same point. So the the first shot scatters, the remainign 3 dont. but ONLY if both cannons attack the same target.

Praxiss wrote:Same here. have you actually made modesl of these beasts? Pics would be much appreciated. The Siege Breaker sounds ripe for a conversion for an Iron Warriors army. /drool.

Yep, they're over here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326420.page

motorhead1945 wrote:Are both Turrets Primary Weapons?


Actually, you don't HAVE TO combine all 4 Shots into a single Plate, right?
Because that would be worse if you want to kill Landraiders, Monoliths n Stuff with a single salvo


Anyway, I'm strongly AGAINST STR D, as it makes the concept of Stormsword Tanks redundant. (Stormsword Cannon is 36" S10 Ap1 10" Blast, ignore Cover, Primary Weapon)
There is a reason why STR D 10" Templates are limited to Warlord-Size Titans...
Besides, Fluff-wise I always thought STR D would be "limited" to energy-weapons and the like.... Eldar Cobra Cannon, Volcano Cannon, Laser-Blaster, probably Tau Railgun (bringing a projectile near the Speed of Light).... not for something as "basic" as a detonating shell...

And:
I don't want another Weapon that Ignores Cover..

I'd suggest for a Combined Shot:
Use the Apocalypse Barrage Template with 4 Shots and probably give it some kind of "twin-linked", i.e. reroll which area of the template is hit by a shot.

Maybe something extra like " if 1 shot penetrates, no bonus, if 2 shots penetrate, the second gets +1 on the damage chart, the 3rd +2, the 4rd +3 on the damage chart"

@ Praxiss: Pics: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326420.page

Praxiss wrote:Same here. have you actually made modesl of these beasts? Pics would be much appreciated. The Siege Breaker sounds ripe for a conversion for an Iron Warriors army. /drool.

Yes, I would assume both would be primary weapons (that of course would add to the point cost) and yes the player would have the option of not using the special rule.

Yeah, I'd rather not go with the STR D just because that is too powerful. I agree that it should be limited to huge energy based weapons but I do make the exception for my Levaithan (the shell would be about 8 feet in diameter and between 15 and 20 feet long ). I based the combined fire rule off of the Vindicator Squadron, which is basically if three or more Vindicators fire at the same target you resolve it as a single shot with the demolisher's stats but with the 10inch template and some special rules about blowing up terrain.

I have thought of using the Apocalypse Barrage Template with four shots but that didn't seem like it gave much of an advantage given you already have four shots with the 5 inch template. The twin-linked idea is good but I don't want to have a special rule that complicates things too much.

My thought is I'd like to stick with the STR 10 AP single shot with the 10 inch template with a special rule attached. Maybe anything under the template with an armor value is treated as being under the center. That way there is no 1/2 STR splash damage, everyone feels the full brunt of those shells.

If you're leaning against Str D and Apocalyptic Barrage, then how about something like this?:

Combined Fire may be used if both primary weapons target the same unit. Instead of resolving the shots normally, resolve the attack (from both weapons) as a single shot with the following profile:

R48", Str 10, AP 2, Ordnance, 10" Blast*
*Vehicles under any part of the marker suffer a Strength 10 hit, regardless of any rule that would reduce the strength of the attack. Also, a combined fire shot may reroll failed To-Wound rolls - if the first shell doesn't pulverize you, the next three certainly will!

On a side note, this also negates pesky Eldar Energy Fields and other similar devices which would otherwise make the special rule worthless (and being a super SM Apoc tank, I feel like this is justified).

Xca|iber wrote:If you're leaning against Str D and Apocalyptic Barrage, then how about something like this?:

Combined Fire may be used if both primary weapons target the same unit. Instead of resolving the shots normally, resolve the attack (from both weapons) as a single shot with the following profile:

R48", Str 10, AP 2, Ordnance, 10" Blast*
*Vehicles under any part of the marker suffer a Strength 10 hit, regardless of any rule that would reduce the strength of the attack. Also, a combined fire shot may reroll failed To-Wound rolls - if the first shell doesn't pulverize you, the next three certainly will!

On a side note, this also negates pesky Eldar Energy Fields and other similar devices which would otherwise make the special rule worthless (and being a super SM Apoc tank, I feel like this is justified).

The second half of the special rule might be a bit much but otherwise I think it's right on

Just saw the pics.....holy crap!!

Machinator wrote:

Yeah, I'd rather not go with the STR D just because that is too powerful. I agree that it should be limited to huge energy based weapons but I do make the exception for my Levaithan (the shell would be about 8 feet in diameter and between 15 and 20 feet long ).

Besides, I always wondered why the Datasheet for it in Lords of Battle 2.5 doesn't mention the missile launchers on top of the Battlecannon, the front flamers & the "window-stormbolter"....

So is there an upgrade for the Datasheet? Or didn't you designed (or, at least co-worked w/ the designers of BoLS) the Datasheet?

motorhead1945 wrote:

Machinator wrote:

Yeah, I'd rather not go with the STR D just because that is too powerful. I agree that it should be limited to huge energy based weapons but I do make the exception for my Levaithan (the shell would be about 8 feet in diameter and between 15 and 20 feet long ).

Besides, I always wondered why the Datasheet for it in Lords of Battle 2.5 doesn't mention the missile launchers on top of the Battlecannon, the front flamers & the "window-stormbolter"....

So is there an upgrade for the Datasheet? Or didn't you designed (or, at least co-worked w/ the designers of BoLS) the Datasheet?

Yeah, I went a little crazy with it in regards to all the weapons But given its size I thought it was appopriate.

BoLS and I developed our datasheets seperately (although they did add the eight twin-linked heavy bolter turrets after I pointed out they always had them). They were just looking for a picture for their Lords of Battle v2 and I offered some pics of mine. My datasheet includes all the weapons you list above and comes out at 1850 points. But in regards to structure points, void shields, and transport capacity we're mostly the same. It's seen battle numerous times and that point value seems to work. The doomsday cannon is only able to fire every other turn so it's not as scary as you think

any update on this? sooner would be great, however rushed projects tend to end sloppily so better to have a good tank then a bad one

Sorry for keeping you guys in suspense. I promise there will be updates over the next few days. I just got side tracked making some new molds for the fellblade.

Just remember: Good things come to those who wait

i couldn't agree more

Wow these super heavies look amazing. The rules look pretty solid too with the help you've been getting. I myself am not very familiar with Apoc. so this is pretty cool stuff to see.


By the way...

I don't know if it's been answered already or if I've just totally missed this somewhere out there. But for the rules you have linked on the first page, how did you get the 40k Style rule book backsplash on the page itself?

Reason I'm asking, was thinking about writing rules/codex myself and I like how that looks. If you could let me know that'd be awesome. Or what you used to do it. (ie. program to incorporate the boxes and the backsplash, like was it power point or something like that.)

Thanks in advance.


And again, exceptional work.

Fexor wrote:Wow these super heavies look amazing. The rules look pretty solid too with the help you've been getting. I myself am not very familiar with Apoc. so this is pretty cool stuff to see.


By the way...

I don't know if it's been answered already or if I've just totally missed this somewhere out there. But for the rules you have linked on the first page, how did you get the 40k Style rule book backsplash on the page itself?

Reason I'm asking, was thinking about writing rules/codex myself and I like how that looks. If you could let me know that'd be awesome. Or what you used to do it. (ie. program to incorporate the boxes and the backsplash, like was it power point or something like that.)

Thanks in advance.


And again, exceptional work.

Thanks Fexor

I actually did it the hard way. There's a blank Apocalypse datasheet available on the GW website that I downloaded and modified to make a blank sheet. I then copied and pasted it into Powerpoint to create the datasheet.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180093_Apocalypse_Blank_Datasheet.pdf

However, since then I have found blank datasheets available online that you can download. Unfortunately I didn't save the link :(

Nice!

Thanks a lot for the info and the link. I'll do some searches and see what I can come up with. Might have to do the same thing and bring it into Powerpoint to move things around freely and make it look how I want.

Thanks again.

OK, the updated rules for the Sanctimonia Cruoris and the new rules for the Iron Breaker are up. See the first post in this thread for details and links.

Love it!

One suggestion though: For the "Wrath of the Emperor," the wording is a bit hard to follow. I'd change that last sentence to read: "The strength of this special attack may never be reduced for any reason."

That'll cover the center-hole issue, and make the weapon useful against other things like energy fields, etc.

All in all, I think it's a great model and some very fluffy rules you've built for it. Good job, and I can't wait to see the next one!

Just had a look at your Ebay store. Quick question......have you tried test-fitting the medium or small turrets on a Predator/Rhino sized chassis?

Xca|iber wrote:Love it!

One suggestion though: For the "Wrath of the Emperor," the wording is a bit hard to follow. I'd change that last sentence to read: "The strength of this special attack may never be reduced for any reason."

That'll cover the center-hole issue, and make the weapon useful against other things like energy fields, etc.

All in all, I think it's a great model and some very fluffy rules you've built for it. Good job, and I can't wait to see the next one!

Good suggestion, thanks!

Praxiss wrote:Just had a look at your Ebay store. Quick question......have you tried test-fitting the medium or small turrets on a Predator/Rhino sized chassis?

The medium turret is too big for the Predator/Rhino sized chassis but the light turret fits pretty well. You just have to modify the bottom to adapt to the ring. I may make another turret in the future that works a little better for that.

OK, after much mulling over I've come up with a set of preliminary rules for three Fellblade variants called the Lancer (anti-tank), the Broadsword (anti-infantry), and the Glaive (all purpose). I believe these should allow a player to build and use a Space Marine super heavy with a wide variety of options without making it too cheesy.

Take a look and tell me what you think.

Lancer Fellblade:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68023329/Lancer-Fellblade

Broadsword Fellblade:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68023294/Broadsword-Fellblade

Glaive Fellblade:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/68023323/Glaive-Fellblade

I'd like to see a space wolves one- seriously!

They look great though.

Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:I'd like to see a space wolves one- seriously!

They look great though.

You will, just wait until the Spring

Awesome, man. Go overboard- that's the Space Wolf way!

Y'know what I'd love to see on it? BEER LAUNCHERS FTW! WHo would not love getting shot by them?

Chainsword launchers, definitely.


Edit: In all seriousness, you should stick a bunch of Demolisher cannons (in the codex, apparently they like 'em) on it and make sure that it has transport capacity.

The SW Fellblade should definatly have Assault Cannons on.