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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:02:49
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Are you saying that the laws of the United States do not apply to illegal immigrants?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:04:06
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Stormrider wrote:
The American media has no interest in seeing Americans think independently, neither does our government.
Wait, people think independently now?
So, should I assume that you, the inventor of the contemporary English language, have traveled forward through time in order to save us all?
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The American media has no interest in seeing Americans think independently, neither does our government. The minute our Government detects that a vast majority of it's "subjects" becomes skeptical they will lose the game they've been playing for the last 110+ years.
I have no intereste in seeing you think "independently", just as you appear to lack the same interest by posting here. So, why would you expect any body composed of suitably random people to lack such an interest, let alone a body composed of people selected by their desire for a certain sort of power?
Also, as alluded to above, what in God's name is "independent thought"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:09:02
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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So, should I assume that you, the inventor of the contemporary English language, have traveled forward through time in order to save us all? I'd watch that movie. Phillips is going about this land owner = voter thing ass backwards. If the minimum requirement to vote is property any schmuck with a buck could buy a plot via micro real estate. It's too easy to game the system. What we should do is abolish the electoral system and institute what I like to call the Land Lord system™. If property is tied to a vested stake in the community then the more property you have the more vested in the community you are, see? So in my Land Lord system™ the more land you own the more votes you get, something along the lines of owning any property guarantees you 1 vote but each acre you own past the first affords you an additional vote. So if you 5 acres of land you get 5 votes. The Land Lord system™ will ensure that states with vast tracks of cheap land have a disproportionate amount of votes. Finally giving real Americans (ie Texans, Alaskans and South-westerners) a commanding voice in government.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:18:04
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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avantgarde wrote:So, should I assume that you, the inventor of the contemporary English language, have traveled forward through time in order to save us all?
I'd watch that movie.
Seconded.
Maybe he can fix Beowulf so I can read it without buying a translation book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:18:30
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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dogma wrote:Also, as alluded to above, what in God's name is "independent thought"?
I think he may have meant "critical thought".
I agree with the Tea Party Leader in part; the idea that those who contribute and stand to lose something should have more of a say than the "uneducated rabble". As someone who owns a few things, it can be frustrating to be taxed far out the ass and working two jobs and having to watch your money be taken and given to an able-bodied person who lives off of town assistance. I'm not saying we should change the laws or anything, but I understand the sentiment.
Also, it's interesting how many of the same people will condemn "the masses" and then zealously defend the right of those people that they look down upon to be able to make decisions concerning the governance of the Nation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:19:38
Subject: Re:Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Stormrider wrote:As for repealing the 16th Amendment, didn't the 18th Amendment get repealed? Wasn't it bad policy? The 16th Amendment is worse. It's Marxsist.
Taxation is Marxist? What?
Stormrider wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to say Property Owners are the only people that can vote, Federal Income tax payers should be the only people that can vote. There's too large of a parasite class in this nation that pays no federal income tax, and thusly votes for more largess.
Yeah, because income tax payers never vote according to their own desires for largess.
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The 26th is fine, don't know why this guy doesn't like it. The 27th is one worth removing completely.
Wait, you want Congressional salaries to be permitted to take effect during the current term of Congressional members?
I mean, that seems really insignificant, and also not in accordance with the views that you generally spouse.
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What's in bold is always ignored in a debate about illegal immigrants, in order for someone to be subject to the juridiction of the United States, they will have needed to apply for a Visa, gotten a green card or have become a naturized citizen.
No, that's absolutely false. Everyone in the United States is subject to its jurisdiction in the absence of any exemption.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:23:45
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Monster Rain wrote:dogma wrote:Also, as alluded to above, what in God's name is "independent thought"?
I think he may have meant "critical thought".
I agree with the Tea Party Leader in part; the idea that those who contribute and stand to lose something should have more of a say than the "uneducated rabble". As someone who owns a few things, it can be frustrating to be taxed far out the ass and working two jobs and having to watch your money be taken and given to an able-bodied person who lives off of town assistance. I'm not saying we should change the laws or anything, but I understand the sentiment.
Also, it's interesting how many of the same people will condemn "the masses" and then zealously defend the right of those people that they look down upon to be able to make decisions concerning the governance of the Nation.
The concept of democracy is arbitrary- Power of the people can be included to have everyone, or some. As it is, we do not let children vote in our society along with noncitizens and those who lose their ability to vote (convicts).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:24:46
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Monster Rain wrote:
I agree with the Tea Party Leader in part; the idea that those who contribute and stand to lose something should have more of a say than the uneducated rabble. As someone who owns a few things, it can be frustrating to be taxed far out the ass and working two jobs and having to watch your money be taken and given to an able-bodied person who lives off of town assistance. I'm not saying we should change the laws or anything, but I understand the sentiment.
See, that's where my disconnect is. I don't understand why people are frustrated by that, because I really don't care. I have previously made enough money, in the 'right' ways, to be taxed in the upper brackets, and while I would have made more with lower taxes I wasn't made uncomfortable by higher taxes. It was a very "meh" sort of thing.
If you live a comfortable life, or any sort of life that you want to live, then it seems odd to take umbrage with regard to the conditions of that life.
Monster Rain wrote:
Also, it's interesting how many of the same people will condemn "the masses" and then zealously defend the right of those people that they look down upon to be able to make decisions concerning the governance of the Nation.
You assume that the franchise has anything to do with making practical choices. It doesn't; voting is placation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:28:44
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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dogma wrote:If you live a comfortable life, or any sort of life that you want to live, then it seems odd to take umbrage with regard to the conditions of that life.
My life at the time that I was describing wasn't comfortable. I was working two jobs and was broke (Kids and the like are expensive  ). I even applied for assistance for heating fuel and was told that I make too much money, I could have been taking a free ride if I had just quit my jobs and been a dirtbag. I'm not saying this to garner sympathy or anything, but just to give a little perspective into why people might think this way.
dogma wrote:You assume that the franchise has anything to do with making practical choices. It doesn't; voting is placation.
I think voting might mean more if there were prerequisites. Do you think that the attitude you have toward voting might be because they let anyone with an ID(optional in some places) walk in and do it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:35:37
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Monster Rain wrote:
My life at the time that I was describing wasn't comfortable. I was working two jobs and was broke (Kids and the like are expensive  ). I even applied for assistance for heating fuel and was told that I make too much money, I could have been taking a free ride if I had just quit my jobs and been a dirtbag.
I imagine that your life would have been much less comfortable at that point. I know that I wouldn't want to live on a welfare income; especially if I had, or planned to have, children.
Monster Rain wrote:
I think voting might mean more if there were prerequisites. Do you think that the attitude you have toward voting might be because they let anyone with an ID(optional in some places) walk in and do it?
Given that I study voting habits throughout the world, its most likely because I've observed the extent to which voting is used to control a given group of people; without regard to the size of that group.
For example, voting in early American history had very little to do with the interests of the landed so much as the rhetoric that got the landed to vote. The mob is always dumb, regardless of how large it is. After all, if the procedure is set, then there isn't much recourse for those involved outside listening to those given power, or changing the procedure. And one of those is much harder than the other.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:37:47
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Monster Rain wrote:dogma wrote:If you live a comfortable life, or any sort of life that you want to live, then it seems odd to take umbrage with regard to the conditions of that life. My life at the time that I was describing wasn't comfortable. I was working two jobs and was broke (Kids and the like are expensive  ). I even applied for assistance for heating fuel and was told that I make too much money, I could have been taking a free ride if I had just quit my jobs and been a dirtbag. I'm not saying this to garner sympathy or anything, but just to give a little perspective into why people might think this way. You could of traded the kids for some Warhammer products. But I think the condition of living does invest people with a level of concern as to who votes- rich/hard working people may feel that free-looting bums shouldn't get to vote. Those who feel deprived of material goods (poor) may feel they earn a greater right to vote. Interesting to see some of the reactions here. Automatically Appended Next Post: dogma wrote:
Given that I study voting habits throughout the world, its most likely because I've observed the extent to which voting is used to control a given group of people; without regard to the size of that group.
I am appalled that you insinuate that the American voting system is rigged to exclude minorities, redrawing districts to keep the part(ies) in power that ability to keep said power and disenfranchise some segment of the populace.
I am shocked-ed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:42:23
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Yeah Stormrider, I worked/lived in the States and i spent a great amount of time in Washington, Virginia, California and NY.
Politically i tend to agree with republicans more than democrats, and im not an Obama fanboy by any stretch of the imagination. Im very very centralised with regards to US politics, and im pretty conservative but seriously... The GOP appears to have been hijacked by religious zealots and even though i agree with republicans on many stances (aggressive foreign policy for example) the glaringly obvious fact to me is that the tea party movement are attempting to allow their Religious beliefs to interfere with politics, and this annoys most normal rational people.
Im not "listening to the media" I am making my own mind up, and my own mind says "Stop crowing on about Jesus If you want normal people to vote for you"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:44:37
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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mattyrm wrote:The GOP appears to have been hijacked by religious zealots and even though i agree with republicans on many stances (aggressive foreign policy for example) the glaringly obvious fact to me is that the tea party movement are attempting to allow their Religious beliefs to interfere with politics, and this annoys most normal rational people.
Know Nothings 2.0.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:48:27
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Combat Jumping Rasyat
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Since they're the party of No, they would be the Neo No Nothings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:50:10
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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avantgarde wrote:Since they're the party of No, they would be the Neo No Nothings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:51:12
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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mattyrm wrote:
Im not "listening to the media" I am making my own mind up, and my own mind says "Stop crowing on about Jesus If you want normal people to vote for you" 
Well, even if you are, so is everyone else. Once you start down the deprivation of agency road, there aren't too many places to get off for delicious Egg McMuffins.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 16:55:42
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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dogma wrote:mattyrm wrote:
Im not "listening to the media" I am making my own mind up, and my own mind says "Stop crowing on about Jesus If you want normal people to vote for you" 
Well, even if you are, so is everyone else. Once you start down the deprivation of agency road, there aren't too many places to get off for delicious Egg McMuffins.
Hell, we should just communize...then everyone would get an Egg McMuffin (or everyone would "own" an Egg McMuffin, which as cynical realists we know it is the Democratic Communist Party of America that really runs the Egg McMuffin)!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 17:08:42
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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[MOD]
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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I think it should be run like it was in republic Rome. If you are a pleb you get one vote.
People like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Paris Hilton get maybe 100 million votes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 18:19:20
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I love the teaparty because it exposes the republican party for what it is. I also like how the landowner clause significantly reduces the voting power of elitest city dwellers while giving disproportionate voting power to farmers and backwoods isolationists. Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:I am British and WHAT IS THIS Shouldn't you be rioting? Automatically Appended Next Post: Stormrider wrote:mattyrm wrote:America is scary... i think we should start granting asylum to people from NY and CA. Palin making those ridiculous wikileaks comments was awesome as well. I always argued my missus should leave California and come here on the grounds that it might one day end up in the ocean after a big earthquake, but i think i can just say "50% of the country are lunatics" these days. I hope Palin becomes president and then bans everything thats not sanctioned by her interpretation of the bible!  Matt, do you do your own research into someone's stance before you just condemn them to the trash heap of history or do you believe what the news tells you? The American media has no interest in seeing Americans think independently, neither does our government. The minute our Government detects that a vast majority of it's "subjects" becomes skeptical they will lose the game they've been playing for the last 110+ years. Thats because as a democratic government it's supposed to represent the majorities interests, and the majority of it's subjects have been skeptical for 200 years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 18:30:41
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"Some of the restrictions, you know, you obviously would not think about today," he continued. "But one of those was you had to be a property owner. And that makes a lot of sense, because if you’re a property owner you actually have a vested stake in the community."
Even Jesus would call his guy a dill weed.
It's like they intentionally say the most inflamatory comments that they can to get their party's name in the paper. "Any publicity is good publicity" is only true for porn stars and serial killers.
What a dickhole.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:10:12
Subject: Re:Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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agroszkiewicz wrote:I like some of the basic Tea Party platform....very similar to Libertarian stances.
That's because Libertarianism is essentially anarchy for wealthy, fat, white men.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:11:02
Subject: Tea party leader: Restricting vote to property owners ‘makes a lot of sense’
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That's me sorted, then.
Well, except for the first bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:16:13
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They should make it so that only those who serve in the U.S. military and veterans who have done so should be able to vote.
Serve your country on the front lines or feth off.
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Stormrider wrote:That is pretty easy to say when the UK isn't being overrun with Illegals that have no inncoulations, can barely read Spanish, use our public services without paying any federal taxes and are completely unaccounted for as to who they are.
What, are you an Arizonan? That kind of talk is considered extreme even here in Texas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:20:13
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Melissia wrote:They should make it so that only those who serve in the U.S. military and veterans who have done so should be able to vote.
Yes, vets only, none of the other civil servants or college educated. Just the dudes that failed the entrance tests then went to the fallback of military service. As a disclaimer I know that there are plenty of smart people in the military, but having lived next to the largest NAS in the northeast for 23 years (it just closed down) I can tell you there are a lot of really fething stupid people in there too. A disproportionate number of them. As if going straight from highschool to a job where you do nothing but physically train and perform mundane repetitive tasks for several years doesn't build a high level of civic or cultural knowledge.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:20:47
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They should make it so only people who can eat three shredded wheat for breakfast can vote.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:24:45
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ShumaGorath wrote:Melissia wrote:They should make it so that only those who serve in the U.S. military and veterans who have done so should be able to vote.
Yes, vets only, none of the other civil servants or college educated. Just the dudes that failed the entrance tests then went to the fallback of military service. As a disclaimer I know that there are plenty of smart people in the military, but having lived next to the largest NAS in the northeast for 23 years (it just closed down) I can tell you there are a lot of really fething stupid people in there too. A disproportionate number of them. As if going straight from highschool to a job where you do nothing but physically train and perform mundane repetitive tasks for several years doesn't build a high level of civic or cultural knowledge.
You're ruining the joke.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:25:59
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Melissia wrote:ShumaGorath wrote:Melissia wrote:They should make it so that only those who serve in the U.S. military and veterans who have done so should be able to vote.
Yes, vets only, none of the other civil servants or college educated. Just the dudes that failed the entrance tests then went to the fallback of military service. As a disclaimer I know that there are plenty of smart people in the military, but having lived next to the largest NAS in the northeast for 23 years (it just closed down) I can tell you there are a lot of really fething stupid people in there too. A disproportionate number of them. As if going straight from highschool to a job where you do nothing but physically train and perform mundane repetitive tasks for several years doesn't build a high level of civic or cultural knowledge.
You're ruining the joke.
Your post history made me think it wasn't a joke. I apologize. Also I love that movie.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:28:01
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Like I would advocate a system where I'm no longer able to vote
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:28:56
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Women should only be able to vote if their husbands sign a release form stating that they have brought them a sandwich in the past 24 hours.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/12/02 20:30:25
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Melissia wrote:They should make it so that only those who serve in the U.S. military and veterans who have done so should be able to vote.
Serve your country on the front lines or feth off.
Dont be a civilian, become a citizen today!!
Would you like to know more?
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