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Elmodiddly wrote:You will be fine. Never heard of the 'issue' and probably never will. Used Dullcote on models with metallics and it does nothing other than what it is supposed to.

Technically, I have seen Dullcote screw up metallics. It doesn't melt them - it just changes them. Boltgun metal becomes grey, and there is a frost effect on everything else. That's user error, though - either you're holding it too close, or you're doing it on a day thats both cold and humid. I don't think it's only Dullcote that will do it, but I have had that happen to me (for the latter reason).

Pyronick, I think the issue you raised is to do with painting matt varnish onto metallic painted areas. Seemingly the matt may lift the metallic particles and smear them over the model. The information I have is that you should always use gloss first as a sealant then coat it in matt.

For flat varnish I use Testors Flat Laquer or Testors Dullcoat. I think they're both pretty much the same.

But for gloss I used to just use gloss spray varnish from the hardware store. But, GW's gloss varnish works pretty good for if you just want to paint it on something small. They have it in a little pot like the other citadel paints.

Pyronick wrote:Can somebody answer a related question I have to this? Ok make that a second question...

I am a Blood Angel player so I have Sang Guard and Dante etc that are painted in metalic colors. Up until now I just spray everything other than the metalics with Testors Dullcote and it gives a great pop to the paint bringing everything out nicely.

My issue however is that I have heard that the Dullcote will melt metalic paints? Can anybody shine some light on this? I'm currently too affraid to spray my Sang Guard!

It's never happened to me on any of my acrylic or even enamel metallic paints.

Of course, I spray on a couple layers of gloss varnish over the acrylics first, so that may be protecting the paints underneath...

Well I used the GW gloss as a base to the dullcote from testors, and while I have a couple more thin coats to go so far so good.

I've been using the clear Krylon gloss spray. I think I like the glossy finish.

Brotherjulian wrote: Testor's dullcoat

+1

Ive got 3 different products, depending on what final finish I want.

1) Testors Dullcote...this is the one I use 90% of the time. Seals everything nicely and gives a good flat/matte finish.

2) Minwax Polyshades...I use this on my Necrons and red SM. On the Necrons it leaves a nice dark shading to the boltgun metal base coat. On the SM I dullcote over the polyshades and it gives the same effect of a black wash and deepens the red.

3)Minwax Polycrylic clear gloss...leaves a very deep shiny gloss finish.


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Ouze wrote:

Elmodiddly wrote:You will be fine. Never heard of the 'issue' and probably never will. Used Dullcote on models with metallics and it does nothing other than what it is supposed to.

Technically, I have seen Dullcote screw up metallics. It doesn't melt them - it just changes them. Boltgun metal becomes grey, and there is a frost effect on everything else. That's user error, though - either you're holding it too close, or you're doing it on a day thats both cold and humid. I don't think it's only Dullcote that will do it, but I have had that happen to me (for the latter reason).

Ive used dullcote on pretty much every finish and type of paint, including metallics and glosses. Any negative effects are likely user error.

HOWEVER...one thing to remember...some colors depend on their natural level of shine, and changing the level of dull or gloss will change the color a bit. This is basically an optical illusion...the base color is still the same, however the human eye and brain perceive it differently because of the change in sheen.

A tidbit of info...the human eye cannot see anything less than a 5% change in color or shade. How do I know? I worked making colored concrete for a while. I was a batch maker, so I got a lot of training from the QC lab on color matching and mixing.