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camboyaz wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote: But there is little reason for your typical Tau to reject the teachings of Ethereals and Greater Good only to immerse themselves in a Creed that actively calls for their destruction.

Waht if their were no Ethereals around to teach these Tau for genorations, the teachings forgotten, and lets say a friendly IOM governer let a them into his System/Planet as long as the worshipped the God-Emperor?

Thats not how the ethereals are believed to work, they control other tau not teach them plus after farsight, the ethereals are everywhere.

the god-emperor is only a god to IoM humans, not all humans believe he is a god (nearly every human world that had to be forcable entered into the Iom) and there are still human worlds that are not part of the IoM or have for a left the light of the emperor due to the shinking of the great warp lighthouse on terra. it is perfectly acceptable for a human (for many humans) to join the greater good, but the idea of tau joining the imperial creed makes no sense

What race could tau join?

Eldar:There to cool to hang out with Tau

Chaos:Maybe but what would the tau get out of it and they would proboley get sacrificed to the chaos gods

Tyrannids: We like you for your brains...

Imperial: Die xeno scum!
or lets work together! (for those that have read codex space marines on the battles of the ultramarines bit)

Orks: Never! Orks Orks Orks Orks Orks orks orks orks!

Necron: No die living scum

Dark elder: Lets have some fun killing tau!

MrDAKKA wrote:What race could tau join?


Imperial: Die xeno scum!
or lets work together! (for those that have read codex space marines on the battles of the ultramarines bit)

quote] See there is some fluff! Yeah Codex: SM is where I got the idea!

camboyaz wrote:

MrDAKKA wrote:What race could tau join?


Imperial: Die xeno scum!
or lets work together! (for those that have read codex space marines on the battles of the ultramarines bit)

See there is some fluff! Yeah Codex: SM is where I got the idea!

That isn't proof. They worked together for one battle, and in exchange the Ultramarines were nice enough to let them go. Once.

Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Grass4hopper wrote:Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

Klawz wrote

Grass4hopper wrote:
Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

Cause he's renegade/rogue and wants an army of brainwashed warriors. Seem like rogue Inquisitors do some crazy stuff.

Like I said, it's a stretch, but it's the only think I could think of that fits the OP idea and can arguably fit into the fluff.

Grass4hopper wrote:Cause he's renegade/rogue and wants an army of brainwashed warriors. Seem like rogue Inquisitors do some crazy stuff.

what do you think the IG are for

camboyaz wrote:See there is some fluff! Yeah Codex: SM is where I got the idea!

I give up: You are totally immune to facts and logic.

Kroothawk wrote:

camboyaz wrote:See there is some fluff! Yeah Codex: SM is where I got the idea!

I give up: You are totally immune to facts and logic.

Hey, Don't be so shallow. I will be using Tau and SM as allies in many Apoc. Battles and because of the allies matrix, I need to find a way to explain.

I even have a Special Rule for the Tau:

For the Greater G... I mean FOR THE EMPEROR!:

All Cult Tau must take a leadership test when shooting at other Tau (No Kroot) when Etherinal is on the board. If they fail, the other player controls them. Take a leadership test every players turn, and when they pass the starting player controls them and they don't need to take test ever again during game. If Etherinal dies, the Tau will always rejoin the Imperial forces, but no doubt, they will be punished serverly.

Like everybody else said. No it won't work ever....at all

You don't need fluff or special rules to justify your forces working together in apocalypse so why bother. You can just have it that the tau forces and SM forces are allies to fight off a greater threat (it has been done before in the fluff). The Tau would never join the Imperial Cult, it's complety anti xeno and has no fluff to support it and it never will.

Your special rule is well...pointless. If the enemy has a etheral you could lose half your army. Besides hardly anybody uses etherals anyway since if they die, the tau get fethed over.

And finally, Check your spelling, people on dakka like words spelt right, just take a few seconds to check before you post...thank you

In summary:

No

ph34r wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:At first I thought "Wow, this is a totally ridiculous idea. Then I thought "Well, if imperials sometimes change their allegiance, why couldn't another race?" This could apply to Tau or pretty much any other race. If some humans follow the greater good, why couldn't some Tau follow the Imperial cult?

If Tau followed the Imperial Cult, the first thing they would have to do is kill themselves. Imperial Cult = humanity first, kill all xenos. Xeno mercenaries are occasionally used, for furthering the cause of killing xenos.

Unless I guess, a group of Tau collectively went nuts, and decided it needed to go on a crusade against the rest of the Tau and/or other Xenos to redeem themselves in the eyes of the Emperor for being born xeno. That could actually be pretty cool.

It wasn't really ever stated that the Emperor was xenophobic before he was put on the Golden throne, was it? The Tau could maybe worship the emperor or something simple like that. I dunno. I wouldn't ever do something like that in my Tau army, I'm just stating that maybe it wouldn't be completely impossible. Just highly unlikely.

And that idea you mentioned is awesome

Klawz wrote:

Grass4hopper wrote:Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

You questioned the motive? How about how the hell did he manage to capture an entire army of Tau?

purplefood wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Grass4hopper wrote:
Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

You questioned the motive? How about how the hell did he manage to capture an entire army of Tau?

Like I said originally "It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them)" I'm not saying it's a perfect piece of fluff, it just is more plausible IMHO then Tau just deciding 'hey, lets worship that Emperor dude'.

Grass4hopper wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Grass4hopper wrote:
Ok I just thought of this:
A renegade Inquisitor captures a Tau army, and somehow Brainwashed them into worshipping the Emperor, and the Tau do the Inquisitor's biding: killing 'heretics', killing other Xenos, washing the Inquisitor's space car.

It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them), but there are plenty of examples of renegade Inquisitors doing crazy stuff. Sometime they even thing they're doing nothing wrong.

It's the only way i can thing of to build semi-plausible fluff around the OP idea.

Why would the inquisitor do that?

You questioned the motive? How about how the hell did he manage to capture an entire army of Tau?

Like I said originally "It's a stretch, and it needs more details (like how does the Inquisitor capture the Tau. How does he brainwash them)" I'm not saying it's a perfect piece of fluff, it just is more plausible IMHO then Tau just deciding 'hey, lets worship that Emperor dude'.

Maybe it is just easier to say they are renegades employed by a radical ordo xenos inquisitor.

@ purplefood: That makes sense and is a lot more plausible, good idea.

You're welcome...

GalacticDefender wrote:

ph34r wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:At first I thought "Wow, this is a totally ridiculous idea. Then I thought "Well, if imperials sometimes change their allegiance, why couldn't another race?" This could apply to Tau or pretty much any other race. If some humans follow the greater good, why couldn't some Tau follow the Imperial cult?

If Tau followed the Imperial Cult, the first thing they would have to do is kill themselves. Imperial Cult = humanity first, kill all xenos. Xeno mercenaries are occasionally used, for furthering the cause of killing xenos.

Unless I guess, a group of Tau collectively went nuts, and decided it needed to go on a crusade against the rest of the Tau and/or other Xenos to redeem themselves in the eyes of the Emperor for being born xeno. That could actually be pretty cool.

It wasn't really ever stated that the Emperor was xenophobic before he was put on the Golden throne, was it? The Tau could maybe worship the emperor or something simple like that. I dunno. I wouldn't ever do something like that in my Tau army, I'm just stating that maybe it wouldn't be completely impossible. Just highly unlikely.

And that idea you mentioned is awesome

Yes there is:

"Listen not to the alien, Look not upon the alien, Speak not unto the alien" is the word of The Emperor and the actual Imperial Cult. Pretty crappy cult for the Tau to Join.

Actually, this radical Inquisitor Xenos idea could go somewhere. If an Inquisitor somehow managed to get his hands on the method that Ethereal's use to influence Tau, through disections and other methods, then the result could be interesting. You could represent the Inquisitor as an Ethereal in your army.

Remember though, the Ethereals do not completely control the Tau. They influence them (through pheremones and other means), so it would still be hard for Tau to start worshipping the Emperor, but suddenly more likely to fight for him to some extent.

It's unconventional, but certainly more plausible than the Tau defecting on their own accord.

In a even further stretch of pure hypothesis: The radical Inquisitor Xenos could find a ancient relic from some extinct civilization that allows him to control the Tau.

Mysterious ancient relics are always a sound reason, that no one can argue with

That would make the Tau appear mindless, something I don't think the OP wants. The Inquisitor fighting the Ethereals with their own game adds an interesting twist on things. Although, he'll likely catch a lot of flak from those that are of the opinion that the Tau really are as good and cuddly as the front page says.

I was thinking the Inquisitor would make the Tau worship the Emperor.

Your ideas is better Emperors Faithful.

I just love threads like this inspire creative thinking, even if none of it canon

Really, the OP can do whatever he wants with his army's fluff. That most say it's impossible/silly/dumb is little reason to stop you, mate.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Really, the OP can do whatever he wants with his army's fluff. That most say it's impossible/silly/dumb is little reason to stop you, mate.

he can do what he wants, its whether other people want to read 2 pages of or have to listen to a spiel of how its 'possible' when its not.

most people would facepalm and say 'shut up and play'

Fluff-wise, you're grasping at straws with this idea friend. You've got pretty much no actual starting point for it, just a few random battles where the Imperium and the Tau Empire have been able to work together to a common goal, and then leave without spilling blood. That's not really ground-work for them being able to worship the Emperor, that's more an insight into the political and military status between the Imperium and Tau, that they can do that, and then strive against each other in battle a week later. This is most likely alot due to the Imperium dismissing the Tau as a major threat at this current time due to their small numbers.

However, when it comes to the Imperial Cult, it's not going to work. Suffer not the Alien to live and all that. Personally, I'd find it fairly hard to hold faith in a religion that told me I was an abomination (But, pskyers do it, so there's some rationale.....they are human however.), but that may be just me.

Your best bet would be to follow ideas suggested earlier in this thread if you wish to create an Imperial themed Tau army. Tau renegades are supported by the fluff. Commander Farsight, Commander Brightsword was on his way before his assassination, they're around. Mercanaries or mind control by Inquisitors, up to you, but I think it makes far more sense than xenos worshipping the God-Emperor.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Really, the OP can do whatever he wants with his army's fluff. That most say it's impossible/silly/dumb is little reason to stop you, mate.

Yes anyone can do what they like with their plastic soldiers. But in the background section people discuss what works with established lore and setting. Trying to shoehorn tau into the imperial cult just seems like an exercise in futility.

Another cool and in-fluff way to have Imperial Cult Tau would be a radical ordo xenos inquisitor isolating the Ethereal pheromone crystal, and using it to essentially mind control a Tau force that had lost its ethereal - perhaps due to an assassination made by the inquisitor's forces even. Inquis moves in, controls tau, bam. Tau force loyal to the Imperium.

Cue redemption crusade of Tau against xenos to fight for the Emperor, and against other Tau even to bolster forces.

camboyaz wrote: I will be using Tau and SM as allies in many Apoc. Battles and because of the allies matrix, I need to find a way to explain.

That is something completely different. There are numerous fluff examples where Imperial troops ally with Tau because Tau are seen as the lesser evil when facing Orks, Necrons, Chaos or Tyranids. No need for Tau to join a "Tau are scum that need to be killed" cult. Tau are pragmatic and not xenophobic, so alliances with them are easy. BTW many SM dislike the Imperial cult as well, being former fighting buddies of the Emperor.

Well, i'll probably do a mercianary army, with some guys in it worshipping the Emperor, but not the Imperial Cult, just a variaton ( Because though they are hired by the IOM, they didn't bother telling everyone to worship him, some just picked up on it) Check out some background in fiction and Special Units in Proposed Rules.