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I am not german, I am Belgian. There's actually a difference in the postition of colors of the two country's flags

1 month of anarchy would be impossible to execute/organize. And when it's over, how are you going to get everybody to settle back down? What will you do with all the crimes committed, all the murders and thefts? And what effect will that have? Would it just make people like the government even more?

P.S. Spain has the coolest monarch. Sorry brits, but the Queen just doesn't hold a candle to Juan Carlos.

Scrazza wrote: X 1000

I am not german, I am Belgian. There's actually a difference in the postition of colors of the two country's flags

Wait, there is more than one country in Europe?

Anarchy would work if everyone was nice. Everyone is not nice. Humans, in large populations, can not function without some form of government.

Scrazza wrote:Can't a 16 year old like me, start to be politically engaged without his ideas told to be immature?

That people called you out on it without you announcing your age is a sign that it might have been an immature idea. There's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has immature ideas. The mature thing is to be able to recognize them afterwards.

And, like I said, it's just supposed to last a month if not shorter, so that the politicians will come to their senses. It's not meant as an outright revolt. Don't you guys read what's in here? I do not wish for copmlete absence of rule, I want it to be a message. and Daedalus, I have no fascist ideas running round in my head and am not as radical as the 'Dead Kennedy's ' you describe.

If it would last long, than there would just be gangs everywhere, claiming control. I do not advocate this, nor I want it, but is that fascist to you?

Okay, so then it's not complete absence of rule. As I understand, anarchy typically does not involve any order, absolute or limited. So lets flesh out your idea some more. In what ways do you wish for rule to be sustained? How do you expect people to comply? As the internet shows you, there are innumerable amounts of people out there who will get away with causing harm and grief simply because they can get away with it. If we just shout "anything goes for a month", they will be out in droves, rioting. People have done so for less reason.

Oh, and I wasn't necessarily insinuating that you were being fascist. I was simply observing that any attempts to maintain anarchy would degrade into such a state. Also, gang rule would actually not be anarchy, nor would it necessarily be fascism.

Also, for a solid illustration of what goes on when there is temporary anarchy until rule can be re-established, check out the French Revolution.

Amaya wrote:Anarchy would work if everyone was nice. Everyone is not nice. Humans, in large populations, can not function without some form of government.

Bingo.

Anarchy can work with humanity not being perfect if everyone is selfish.

corpsesarefun wrote:Anarchy can work with humanity not being perfect if everyone is selfish.

AAAHHH! It's the ghost of Ayn Rand!

Scrazza wrote:Can't a 16 year old like me, start to be politically engaged without his ideas told to be immature?

And, like I said, it's just supposed to last a month if not shorter, so that the politicians will come to their senses. It's not meant as an outright revolt. Don't you guys read what's in here? I do not wish for copmlete absence of rule, I want it to be a message. and Daedalus, I have no fascist ideas running round in my head and am not as radical as the 'Dead Kennedy's ' you describe.

If it would last long, than there would just be gangs everywhere, claiming control. I do not advocate this, nor I want it, but is that fascist to you?

If law and order breask down can I have your stuff. No really I want your stuff and I have a gun. Give it to me.
Do you like anarchy now?

corpsesarefun wrote:Anarchy can work with humanity not being perfect if everyone is selfish.

Anything can work in any set of conditions if no one cares about what "work" entails.

Murdering people works too.

dogma wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Anarchy can work with humanity not being perfect if everyone is selfish.

Anything can work in any set of conditions if no one cares about what "work" entails.

Murdering people works too.

Yes and in a totally anarchistic society murder would most likely be accepted as a necessary part of survival.

dogma wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Anarchy can work with humanity not being perfect if everyone is selfish.

Anything can work in any set of conditions if no one cares about what "work" entails.

Murdering people works too.

I think its time to send in Zombie Churchill to sort this right out. Anyone have some Scotch?

Laws work too, when people bother to obey them.

Frazzled wrote:

Scrazza wrote:Can't a 16 year old like me, start to be politically engaged without his ideas told to be immature?

And, like I said, it's just supposed to last a month if not shorter, so that the politicians will come to their senses. It's not meant as an outright revolt. Don't you guys read what's in here? I do not wish for copmlete absence of rule, I want it to be a message. and Daedalus, I have no fascist ideas running round in my head and am not as radical as the 'Dead Kennedy's ' you describe.

If it would last long, than there would just be gangs everywhere, claiming control. I do not advocate this, nor I want it, but is that fascist to you?

If law and order breask down can I have your stuff. No really I want your stuff and I have a gun. Give it to me.
Do you like anarchy now?

Nice one Frazz.

As one of the many individuals who was in the area directly hit by Hurricane Katrina,I can assure you a complete lack of order is no day at the beach.

Nurglitch wrote:Laws work too, when people bother to obey them.

Laws do work very well most of the time and I am a supporter of democracy but my point was that both total anarchism and archism can both work fine given the right circumstances (survival being the only factor in thought and fascism respectively).

corpsesarefun wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Laws work too, when people bother to obey them.

Laws do work very well most of the time and I am a supporter of democracy but my point was that both total anarchism and archism can both work fine given the right circumstances (survival being the only factor in thought and fascism respectively).

But isn't fascism the antithesis of anarchy? Its dictatorship.

Anarchy is disorganized grabbing of power by the strong. Fascism is organized grabbing of power by the strong. But at least Fascists keep the lights on.

Frazzled wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Laws work too, when people bother to obey them.

Laws do work very well most of the time and I am a supporter of democracy but my point was that both total anarchism and archism can both work fine given the right circumstances (survival being the only factor in thought and fascism respectively).

But isn't fascism the antithesis of anarchy? Its dictatorship.

Anarchy is disorganized grabbing of power by the strong. Fascism is organized grabbing of power by the strong. But at least Fascists keep the lights on.

Hence the respectively part frazzled

I don't see where total anarchy works for humans. Desacribing the movement of water in an unchanneled enviroment sure, but how on earth is anarchy ever good?

Monarchy is the grabbing of power by the strong.
Anarchy is the grabbing of power by everyone.

Nurglitch wrote:Monarchy is the grabbing of power by the strong.
Anarchy is the grabbing of power by everyone.

Incorrect. Only the strong will grab power in an anarchic (sp?) environment. The weak will die. The strong will get smelly, realize they've lost the ability to do that thing called farming and die too. Cochroaches take over the world.

Lets skip the middle man baby. I for one welcome our new multilegged overlords and vow to help them hunt down those evil Raid users and pronto!

Frazzled wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Monarchy is the grabbing of power by the strong.
Anarchy is the grabbing of power by everyone.

Incorrect. Only the strong will grab power in an anarchic (sp?) environment. The weak will die. The strong will get smelly, realize they've lost the ability to do that thing called farming and die too. Cochroaches take over the world.

Lets skip the middle man baby. I for one welcome our new multilegged overlords and vow to help them hunt down those evil Raid users and pronto!

Strong doesn't have to mean physically powerful otherwise natural selection would straight up not work.

You could survive by having better night vision, being smarter or by simply the virtue of having better hunting grounds.

Curious, the strong have seized power, the weak are still around, and people still volunteer to farm. Apparently anarchy is come at last...

Ah belgian politics, you can't stop laughing with it.

But Scrazz, from wich side of belgium are you.

*stealthly pulls out a knife"

Can you say: schild en vriend?

Scrazz, to comment on your thoughts, instead of the general topic of anarchy, don't you think that this period of time would be too detrimental to society? Think about all the infrastructure, all the government works. I'll admit that I don't know too much about Belgian politics (the compulsory voting thing was intriguing), but tell me what happens when I (hypothetically) set your house on fire, because I'm a pyro, holding a grudge? Can we trust that the firemen and the dispatchers are still at their posts, out of virtue?
And the doctors? Imagine how many people in the hospitals would die if they didn't get medical attention when they needed it. While doctors are, generally, fairly moral and dutiful people, what if they couldn't get to work, or their supplies ran low, or power/water/whatever necessary system went out? Sure, they'll have a backup, but how long will that hold out? I see such a disruption of the system to be too devastating for the common citizens.


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Wow, after reading up on your current political scene, just, wow. That's just horrible. Lameduck government? Deadlock? Trying to give power to the King? Makes me glad that all we have to deal with is Palin, Beck, Olberman, and all the radical inflamists (from both sides )

Anarchy can't work because there would be no system in place to prevent people from grouping up and taking over, recreating the world we live in now. Anarchy will only be feasible once we are a post scarcity society, with AI's to run gak for us while we squander our petty lives.

A side thought, I assume we have Star Trek fans in here. Did anyone else have the thought that underneath all the Utopian idealist clean and awesome (but strangely not overcrowded) cities, there were vast banks of holodecks where 90% of the people of earth lived, never going outside or doing any of that space exploration nonsense?

@Sillyboy: Schild en Vriend. I am Flemish.

@Frazzled: Being forced to hand over your stuff doesn't only happen with Anarchy. In our present society, there will always be people with violence on their minds, even without Anarchy. But it is true, Anarchy will result in even more violence. But, when the civilians revolt and become anarchists, the politicians will organize something to gain back control. It's all about fighting fire with fire. A necesary evil is needed. Eventually the authorities will drive out all Anarchists. And without them even noticing it, the politicians just formed a government to achieve this. Plan succeeded.

@micahaphone: In the openig phases, all government cotrolled organizations will still work. Not all people are Anarchy minded, so it will take a while untill all government controlled organizations dissapear. When a government is formed eventually, there would still be some form of social structure (hospital, police, firefighters,...)

Our politicians may be dumba$$es, but I HOPE they will come to their senses and start acting like politicians. If they do, the resulted Anarchy will be solved properly, as govenment gets back some sense of social structure.

And what if our "politicians" aren't able to solve the problem and don't form an governement?

I doubt that will happen. Our politicians aren't THAT stupid. But if they are, and they can't form a good government, then we're screwed. Big time. The strong will survive, power will go to the strong, effectively ending the Anarchist revolt. There would be a new form of authority, not a government though.

Hmmm... I doubt that they will be able.... I mean ... for how long are they trying to split some border-thing-town
In case of such a crisis,they will very likely fail.

Fail to make a government in the face of massed anarchism? They have to be really dumb if they fail.