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and or comparing them to bugs or animals in here. Great moderation going on.
The quote from "Starship Trooper" you mean ? Not really relevant either.
Awful lot of not knowing whats involved
Yes, we've all noticed your posts but, bless, you do your best and you are trying.
I'm sure everyone will be much better informed and reassured once you've informed them why they're wrong.
I do my best! I'll post like
Ooh,I have a great idea! How about if you DISCONNECT VITAL ASSETS FROM THE FETHING INTARNETZ! How about if you hire people smart enough not to be phished? How about if you put a policy in place that you can only give info to people you actually know, in person if necessary?
How about if you arbitrarily and randomly place a 1000% tax on some Chinese imports until the shenanigans stop? How about if we laser down their satellites until the shenaningans stop? Blame it on sun spots - they're all the rage right now. Say our death ray got hacked and it was used to kill their satellites by angry American hackers? Soorryz! Thet iz the suxxorz, Chinaz! R badz!
more often. Y'know, to make you feel better.
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Monster Rain wrote:Or some of them get caught on purpose to let everyone know that they're mukkin' about in our computers.
But that's not necessarily good hacking... as much as it is a hacker making a political statement or something to that effect.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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If you could, because then people can actually discuss or debate any points raised or even correct any errors that may have been made.
I knew you had it in you.
Watching young folk like yourself growing up on these boards, maturing into adults and seizing the myriad of opportunities in front of them is one of the few pleasant benefits we MODs get.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I dont know if its the 20 pints, but this thread makes feth all sense to me.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Yes, CT Gamer - because this is still America, and you can say what you want. No one dies if somebody says something mean about where they were born. It's really time we got over the idea that no one is allowed to offend anyone, ever.
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"Exterminatus is never having to say you're sorry."
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VoidAngel wrote:Yes, CT Gamer - because this is still America, and you can say what you want. No one dies if somebody says something mean about where they were born. It's really time we got over the idea that no one is allowed to offend anyone, ever.
Yeah, us Aussies are way ahead of you lot in this regard.
[insert obligatory not serious comment here]
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
VoidAngel wrote:Yes, CT Gamer - because this is still America, and you can say what you want. No one dies if somebody says something mean about where they were born. It's really time we got over the idea that no one is allowed to offend anyone, ever.
Free speech does not apply in internet spaces because the internet is not "public". The rules as laid out by the dakka signup agreement take supremacy. That said, the mods are extremely laid back sometimes so you can often say some pretty awful gak without them taking notice. Other times you sneeze and they'll ban everyone within 50 feet of it.
Kinda depends on whose on
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Sure people are criticizing China, but I'm pretty sure that if people of any color were hacking into US computers there would be some cross words about it. I don't think this is racially motivated.
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Haters gon' hate.
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I think the "Nuke em, Rico." is about as close as it got. TBH even if he was joking I'm not too comfortable with any race being compared to insects (even if they are really cool big man-eating ones).
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
CT GAMER wrote:
So we can make racist statements here provided we put an appropriate emoticon behind it.
Like or perhaps [/racist comment none of which is remotely serious]
Got it.
Thanks for the clarification.
Good to know for future reference.
.. what racist statement has been made here then ?
I'm of the opinion that the Starship troopers quote was not meant to be some racial slur comparing the Chinese to insects, but more (yet another) lazy and knee jerk post -- like the old " nuke the site from orbit...etc etc " -- that gets posted in almost every thread in which things are discussed. hell GWHQ has been threatened or sanctioned with nuclear annihilation more often that the human mind can recall.
Now, if posters were coming with " wut we should do is invade and kill them all cuz they is evul and yellow skinned and and etc etc we're number 1 !!!! " and threw in a load of "jokes" to do stereotypes about the Chinese or Asians then yeah, that wouldn't be acceptable.
And it would not be acceptable even if they threw an "amusing" emoticon on the end of it.
... but that's not what happened.
Various people responded back with thoughts to the effect that "we" should strike back in the same sort of way -- and I agree with the earlier post suggesting that "we" in all probability already are/do.. even if we don't hear about it.
Aside from that there were ideas suggested that included the imposition of taxes and perhaps the attacking of Chinese satellites. Sure the style they were presented in was exaggerated in style and format.... but that's hardly uncommon is it ?
So, if you disagree with said ideas then, you know, argue against them. Put forth why this would be a bad idea, or what we should do instead.
Or, if you think a poster has stepped over the line and is posting offensive things then hit the alert button --- that's much more likely to have an affect than a couple of poorly thought snarky couplets that contribute nothing to the genesis of any debate on the topic to hand.
I've every faith in you all.
..well, most of you.
because this is still America,
No it isn't.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
If you mean that in the sense that the America that was is gone - I disagree, and do what I can to reawaken it.
If you mean, no - this is the internet and people on this board are from all over the place - of course. I was referring to where the board, and my post in particular, originated.
Other than that, I agree - there's no racism to be seen here, except by those that insist on seeing it everywhere.
"Exterminatus is never having to say you're sorry."
It is lame when people whack their e-penises against the keyboard and fantasise about fighting another country who might have been involved in a hacking operation, but it isn't racism. The people talking about retaliating with this bit of nonsense or that would be doing it regardless of the ethnicity of the accused nation.
And yes, freedom of speach is important, but this is a private board and the owners have every right to tell you what you can and can't say. And while the logical end of free speach means that the rest of us have to put up with stupid or obnoxious speach, that doesn't mean anyone should revel in the opportunity to be as stupid or obnoxious as possible.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
VoidAngel wrote:If you mean that in the sense that the America that was is gone - I disagree, and do what I can to reawaken it.
If you mean, no - this is the internet and people on this board are from all over the place - of course. I was referring to where the board, and my post in particular, originated.
Other than that, I agree - there's no racism to be seen here, except by those that insist on seeing it everywhere.
Actually, I think that he was referring to the fact that the internet isn't a place, doesn't fall under free speech laws, and you're posting on an international message board.
I'm of the opinion that the Starship troopers quote was not meant to be some racial slur comparing the Chinese to insects, but more (yet another) lazy and knee jerk post -- like the old " nuke the site from orbit...etc etc " -- that gets posted in almost every thread in which things are discussed. hell GWHQ has been threatened or sanctioned with nuclear annihilation more often that the human mind can recall.
There are only two ways to take this. The first is that the chinese are bugs. This is the clear intention, regardless of whats back pedaled after. The second is "nuke it from orbit" which involves nuking the chinese. Not much better. I'm having a hard time finding something that isn't insulting. Seriously. There is nothing. I got banned for calling a thread "trivial" a few weeks back and yet you're defending this. It's pretty mind numbing.
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ShumaGorath wrote:There are only two ways to take this. The first is that the chinese are bugs. This is the clear intention, regardless of whats back pedaled after. The second is "nuke it from orbit" which involves nuking the chinese.
There is a middle way; It is called "Lighten up, Francis."
And here you are trying to derail the thread, and here I am being drawn into the silliness anyway. I really can't help myself.
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sebster wrote:This whole thread...
It is lame when people whack their e-penises against the keyboard and fantasise about fighting another country who might have been involved in a hacking operation, but it isn't racism. The people talking about retaliating with this bit of nonsense or that would be doing it regardless of the ethnicity of the accused nation.
Hey, sebster agreed with me.
sebster wrote:And yes, freedom of speach is important, but this is a private board and the owners have every right to tell you what you can and can't say. And while the logical end of free speach means that the rest of us have to put up with stupid or obnoxious speach, that doesn't mean anyone should revel in the opportunity to be as stupid or obnoxious as possible.
Do you think maybe you're making a bigger deal out of this than is necessary?
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Haters gon' hate.
ShumaGorath wrote:There are only two ways to take this. The first is that the chinese are bugs. This is the clear intention, regardless of whats back pedaled after. The second is "nuke it from orbit" which involves nuking the chinese.
There is a middle way; It is called "Lighten up, Francis."
And here you are trying to derail the thread, and here I am being drawn into the silliness anyway. I really can't help myself.
There wasn't a whole lot of thread to derail, the replies were pretty similar to what I expect on youtube. I'm more annoyed at the incredibly random interpretation and enforcement of the forum rules here then I am at their actual violation in any case.
Do you think maybe you're making a bigger deal out of this than is necessary?
Obnoxious frivolity can be pretty destructive to forums. It's why they have spam rules (which I violated).
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Monster Rain wrote:Do you think maybe you're making a bigger deal out of this than is necessary?
People claiming the freedom of speach as an entitlement to be stupid is something I take seriously.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Monster Rain wrote:Do you think maybe you're making a bigger deal out of this than is necessary?
People claiming the freedom of speach as an entitlement to be stupid is something I take seriously.
Are you doing that on purpose?
Anyway, what's your end game here? People said some things you disagree with and you have stated this. Do you think you're going to change someone's mind?
Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
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Haters gon' hate.
I've found my spelling has gotten worse from year to year. I don't know why.
Anyway, what's your end game here? People said some things you disagree with and you have stated this. Do you think you're going to change someone's mind?
I'm hoping that maybe people start to think that just because they have the right to say something doesn't mean that it is something that needs to be said.
Sometimes it works. I know this, because at one point it worked on me.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
No, seriously, any persuasive enough argument made to any thinking person will change their mind - or at least cause them to really think about their position. They may not admit that you were right, but ideas take time to germinate. Realization may come day, weeks, or years later - but it happens.
"Exterminatus is never having to say you're sorry."
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or perhaps [/racist comment none of which is remotely serious]
