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As a United States Marine who has family that also fought in every "world" war (many of which fought besides your grandparents, yes even you brits, ironically on both axis and alliance sides lol) I gotta say I find the America hate here amusing.

Great picture love the patriotism!

In my time of service Ive seen my country do great and terrible things. In the end I can still say im proud to be an American in the same way you are all proud of your nations.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:She shows potential Gamza.

Agreed. Encourage her, she shows promise, and it's always good to allow someone to express their creative side in an art in which they're skilled.

Melissia wrote:Agreed. Encourage her, she shows promise, and it's always good to allow someone to express their creative side in an art in which they're skilled.

Just don't let her turn to the dark side... we need no more chibi marines!

Right, we need chibi-orks.

Melissia wrote:Right, we need chibi-orks.

[/Link to Darth Vader "Nooooooo!" video]

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/specialengagements/moviespeechafewgoodmencodered.html

As for calling the two major conflicts of the last century WWI/WWII, The Great Wars, etc, they could rightly be called G.B.'s Wars of European Domination, as I seem to recall both started due to the English wanting to prevent Germany becoming a European Major Power and threatening British hegemony.

Here in America, we have a saying that if it weren't for America, Europe would now be speaking either German or Russian. This is due to the impression that despite America spending much treasure/blood in the two conflicts (which were really European Affairs) many Europeans today are less than slightly appreciative of the fact. Winnie, I believe, was quite appreciative.

Best regards to all...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well she's got more skill than John Blanche.

(/controversial statement)


*runs*

Oh it's so damn true.

Phanatik wrote:As for calling the two major conflicts of the last century WWI/WWII, The Great Wars, etc, they could rightly be called G.B.'s Wars of European Domination, as I seem to recall both started due to the English wanting to prevent Germany becoming a European Major Power and threatening British hegemony.

They could also be considered to have occured because of the rather intricate web of mutual defense pacts floating around at the time, which drew more and more countries into the war until it became a "world war" as well as a large number of other factors. Not to mention several thousand years of history of kicking the living hell out of one another. I will not deny that European Imperialism was not one reason that the war escalated.

World War II is largely considered to have been started due to the military activities of Germany and Japan. Indeed, at the outbreak of war, Neville Chamberlain was Prime Minister and had very publically called for appeasement of the Germans during the pre-WWII years.

Here in America, we have a saying that if it weren't for America, Europe would now be speaking either German or Russian. This is due to the impression that despite America spending much treasure/blood in the two conflicts (which were really European Affairs) many Europeans today are less than slightly appreciative of the fact. Winnie, I believe, was quite appreciative.

And this highlights perhaps why here in Europe we are seemingly not as appreciative of the Americans as the Americans would wish us to be. This is not to say that we understand the importance of the raw material and products that the Americans sold us (at extortionate cost I might add) as well as the fighting men you eventually decided to send. However, the main gripe comes from, in my own personal view, America then deciding that they somehow "saved" us.

Indeed, in both WWI and WWII a case could be made that the Russians did far more to win the war than the Americans.

As a side note, you should be glad that you aren't speaking Russian instead

Melissia wrote:As a side note, you should be glad that you aren't speaking Russian instead

I've yet to meet a Russian who would go on and on about how great Russia is and how it saved the whole world from the Germans

To a large extent, Russian losses were due to Uncle Joe and socialism/communism. The Stalin purges right before the war (including the military) whacked around 30 million people. Stalin and his generals also spent the lives of their men as if blood were as available as vodka.

And, don't forget that America sent the Russians megatons of material to help them stay in the war.

Nice picture, although I think that the hand is too far up on the banner pole, not leaving enough room for the flag to attach. Far better than anything I could do though, so who cares. She should definitely keep it up.

*Insert comment about the off-topic america debate here, let's assume I come out of it sounding stupid.*

SilverMK2 wrote:

Melissia wrote:As a side note, you should be glad that you aren't speaking Russian instead

I've yet to meet a Russian who would go on and on about how great Russia is and how it saved the whole world from the Germans

I've met some...

Russians idolize Stalin for what he did in WWII.

Phanatik wrote:To a large extent, Russian losses were due to Uncle Joe and socialism/communism. The Stalin purges right before the war (including the military) whacked around 30 million people. Stalin and his generals also spent the lives of their men as if blood were as available as vodka.

And, don't forget that America sent the Russians megatons of material to help them stay in the war.

As I menrioned before, this is rather off topic. If you really want to argue the relative merits of countries, make a thread about it*

Again, if you look, I made no mention of American involvement not being important, simply that your expectations of grattitude far outweigh the realities of the war(s). I also mentioned nothing about Russian losses, merely that their contribution to the wars was significant.



*I know there are a lot of history buffs on Dakka who would love to talk to you about it.


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Melissia wrote:quote]I've met some...

Lucky you

Not really.

The painting reminds me of Fallout 3...

I really don't count rivits unless extremely bored.
But if I drom a box of paper clips I can tell howmany hit the floor!!!

Laughing God wrote: As a United States Marine who has family that also fought in every "world" war (many of which fought besides your grandparents, yes even you brits, ironically on both axis and alliance sides lol) I gotta say I find the America hate here amusing.

Great picture love the patriotism!

In my time of service Ive seen my country do great and terrible things. In the end I can still say im proud to be an American in the same way you are all proud of your nations.

No one i know is proud of England or Britain... in fact most people think it's a miserable hole where it rains to much... then they think "At least we don't live in Wales" to which the Welsh reply is usually " you"
In short Britain is a country made from countries that really don't like each other.

Oh my gawd. The Patriot anyone?

Great picture. Congrats on dating a chick that supports your hobby, man.

For the off-topic "My country is better than your country" silliness:

"If it weren't for George Washington and the other revolutionaries, we'd all be speaking English today!" - Famous American.

Now then, can't we all just get along?

SilverMK2 wrote:As I menrioned before, this is rather off topic.

In the grim darkness of the future the Americans still want to think they will be important.
Odd, as you started the off-topic diatribe against America with the above comment. I was merely defending my country. I'm more than happy to return to 40k.

Cheers!

haha thanks for all the kind comments guys! =) she was happy to hear you guys liked the picture. she said she would like to paint more when she gets the chance.


after reading these American posts I sure could go for a cheeseburger.


haha thanks again guys!

GamzaTheChaos wrote:Hey I wanted to share this with you guys! my Girlfriend painted this for me as a gift. its based off my own chapter which is the "American Legion"
she used all water colors

I will use this as my Facebook Avatar for a while. lol

Phanatik wrote:In the grim darkness of the future the Americans still want to think they will be important.
Odd, as you started the off-topic diatribe against America with the above comment. I was merely defending my country. I'm more than happy to return to 40k.

Cheers!

A single line is not a diatribe. And as the author of the single line in question, I can safely lay to rest any concerns you or anyone else may have as to it being in any way seriously intended. Please, this kind of jumping-down-throats attitude doesn't help and in fact only adds to the problem.

You really think that I could get as many posts as I have on a board moderated by such a pro-American/anti-anti American mod as Frazzled and actually think I could get away with truly anti-American posts?

I look forward to seeing you in threads about toy soldiers

I bow to the proof of your posting proficiency.

Nice work!