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If i was GW

Summer 2011 - Necrons
Winter 2011 - Tau
Spring 2012 - SoB
Summer 2012 - Chaos Marines
Autumn 2012 - 6th Ed
Winter 2012 - Codex Marines
Spring 2013 - Eldar
Summer 2013 - Crusading Marines (BT/DA)

I think thats a fair spread, you'll get all the 3rd Ed Codecies updated (bar BT - but sorry not 1st founding not important!)
My one other thought would be to swap Eldar and Chaos marines, but I think it's sadly not avoidable to not have 3 3+ codecies in a row

Chaos Marines/Chaos Daemons need to be combined and each god plus black legion,red corsairs be given their own codex

Oh sorry, your renegades aren't first founding, not important. /sarcasm

BT have a 4th ed dex which is competitive because GW released an errata that made us play a shooting army, completely against our fluff. I have yet to see anyone prove that Chaos "needs" an update beyond the fluff. Sure, many people WANT an update, but Chaos is, bar Orks, the best 4th ed army. Oh, and the BT is a 4th ed dex, just saying.

ZhufortheImpaler wrote:Chaos Marines/Chaos Daemons need to be combined and each god plus black legion,red corsairs be given their own codex

I don't really see the logic of splitting factions off. Both the Black Legion and Red Corsairs can be easily represented with a special character or even some kind of "doctorine" to free you from the need to take a special character.

Keep everything in the same book to give people more options and reduce the codex cycle.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I have yet to see anyone prove that Chaos "needs" an update beyond the fluff. Sure, many people WANT an update, but Chaos is, bar Orks, the best 4th ed army.

Have you read the CSM codex? The Daemon Prince can't even own a bolt pistol, let alone the artifacts and wargear a millennia-old warlord could have accrued.

Oh, and the BT is a 4th ed dex, just saying.

And it's one of six Loyalist Space Marine codices, so who cares?

Daemon Princes's left arm (metal) looks like giant cannon and the new plastic kit looks more fit for FW... They should at least give them a gun of some sort

AlexHolker wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:I have yet to see anyone prove that Chaos "needs" an update beyond the fluff. Sure, many people WANT an update, but Chaos is, bar Orks, the best 4th ed army.

Have you read the CSM codex? The Daemon Prince can't even own a bolt pistol, let alone the artifacts and wargear a millennia-old warlord could have accrued.

Oh, and the BT is a 4th ed dex, just saying.

And it's one of six Loyalist Space Marine codices, so who cares?

You expect people to care about things in your Codex that doesn't make sense or that needs an update but don't care about others? Hypocrite much? What I meant is that, competitively speaking, Codex: Chaos Space Marines is the second best Codex from 4th edition, with Orks being the best. You can yell all you want about how much the book "sucks" (although there is plenty of fethed up stuff in there, I'll grant you that), but you come across as kinda whiny considering that there's Tau, Necrons, Sisters of Battle, Eldar, Chaos Daemons and two marine chapters (that "no one cares about") that are all worse (arguably in the case of DA and BT) than your current book.

Personally I am waiting to see the necrons, DA, SoB new codex and would like to see some plastic CSM and SoB

AlmightyWalrus wrote:... all worse (arguably in the case of DA and BT) than your current book.

Though BA and BT have been updated through a comprehensive FAQ, so they are not lagging as far behind as they used to.

SilverMK2 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:... all worse (arguably in the case of DA and BT) than your current book.

Though BA and BT have been updated through a comprehensive FAQ, so they are not lagging as far behind as they used to.

Hence the arguably. Doesn't change the fact that Chaos doesn't need a new Codex as badly as Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Sisters of Battle or Chaos Daemons. Once again, we KNOW that the fluff isn't what it should be, but they're not alone on that point.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:... all worse (arguably in the case of DA and BT) than your current book.

Though BA and BT have been updated through a comprehensive FAQ, so they are not lagging as far behind as they used to.

Hence the arguably. Doesn't change the fact that Chaos doesn't need a new Codex as badly as Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Sisters of Battle or Chaos Daemons. Once again, we KNOW that the fluff isn't what it should be, but they're not alone on that point.

Inane to agree with you on the Neceons, Eldar and Tau

AlmightyWalrus wrote:You expect people to care about things in your Codex that doesn't make sense or that needs an update but don't care about others? Hypocrite much?

First, it's not my codex (that would be Sisters of Battle). Second, I think I made it quite clear why I don't care that your codex needs an update: it's not because I don't play it, it's because it is one of six Loyalist Space Marine codices.

AlexHolker wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:You expect people to care about things in your Codex that doesn't make sense or that needs an update but don't care about others? Hypocrite much?

First, it's not my codex (that would be Sisters of Battle). Second, I think I made it quite clear why I don't care that your codex needs an update: it's not because I don't play it, it's because it is one of six Loyalist Space Marine codices.

Firstly, sorry for assuming you played CSM, although I still think my point stands. Secondly, CSM are Space Marines too, even if they're not loyalists. Thirdly, still haven't said anything about all the non-marine armies and why CSM should be updated before them.

And everybody thought I as crazy when I said CSM's bring people together

ZhufortheImpaler wrote:And everybody thought I as crazy when I said CSM's bring people together

Brings people's virtual fists together at least...

It's sort of a tough one when you think of the forces that havn't received love from GW in awhile.

1-I'd like to see Crons done next. I think everyone agrees its time the dust get blown off them and rehashed with (hopefully) some good fluff and updates.

2-After that BT or DA all the way. I'd prefer BT to be done first, fairness wise because it was released before DA, but personally I think BT are an underated chapter. They have more fluff and great story line compared to the others. It'd be nice to see DA be redone as well. I like both chapters, so for me, either one would be great.

3-I think they need to definately update Tau and Eldar Codex after that. Not even the models, they rock around the board. But the codex for sure. Maybe a new tau unit or 2. Not eldar. they already have enough to choose from I think.

4- SoB. I've never been a huge fan of them, I won't lie, so if they get sweeped under the rug for another 2 years it's fine by me. But to keep up with appearances, they still should get an update within the next year or two.

That's all I can think of.

OH wait. I forgot about CSM. I think they should sorta be in the middle. In with Tau and Eldar update id say.

Tau need their battlesuits redone. The rest of the army looks great imho, but those suits are just....terrible looking

CSM needed a friggin plastic dred years ago. I sometimes forget they still sell that pile of brick. Even if they get no new codex, this is easily a priority.

Necrons need a redue something fierce. They have practically nothing in the codex. I mean, flip the rule book open to the back and laugh at how small their army section is. They need new rules, they need new minis, they need a redue BADLY. And they used to be the badasses on the block, I scratch my head wondering what happened.


SOB, well I dont really care much for them personally. I know their book is ancient, and the minis are melted crayons in my opinion. I wonder why people deal with that garbage when they do play them. Even though I dont care much for the army, they do have followers and do need a revamp as well.

I don't see why you think BT and DA need an update before Tau and Eldar. I get that they're space marine chapters and would sell but behind Necrons Tau are suffering the most in competition.

You never see any of them place in tournaments. I feel necrons don't have a very strong following but that's due to their army book rather than their fluff and feel I think.

Most of my friends have Tau armies - including me - but i'm the only one who takes them to leagues or competitions. Considering where I place with them I understand why tho...

im not sure of the order myself, but i can be 110% sure on the number of updates:


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I just started playing Necrons so an update would be pretty cool for them.

I don't know a ton about the various codexes, but it seems like Tau could use one too.. Don't know much about DA or BT.

They need to fire Matt Ward and hire 2 new writers - one to write rules, and one to write background.

Then they can update Necrons, Tau, Sisters, and other armies who badly need it - maybe Eldar, too.

As much as I would love to see a new CSM codex, they don't need it as much as other armies. Plus I"m afraid of what Matt Ward would do to it.

I definitely DON'T want to see individual books for the various chaos legions. They don't need their own books. We don't need more marine books, period.

Why exactly do they have one person write the majority of their ENTIRE PRODUCT LINE?

He wrote fantasy, he's written like 75% of the most recent codices. Are they really that cheap? Even games people make up on the internet for fun have more rules/background developers than GW.

Still dreaming of a Chaos Legions book with specific rules for the original traitor legions...........



Never going to happen obviously.

Praxiss wrote:Still dreaming of a Chaos Legions book with specific rules for the original traitor legions...........



Never going to happen obviously.

As long as it's in one book. If they tried releasing a codex for each legion they'd HAVE to rename the game Space Marine 40,000.

gw need to reproduce codex aroudrodden beacause the bit they showed in white dwarf was really helpfull and there otheres that want to play an huge arogriddoune campain

Griever wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Still dreaming of a Chaos Legions book with specific rules for the original traitor legions...........



Never going to happen obviously.

As long as it's in one book. If they tried releasing a codex for each legion they'd HAVE to rename the game Space Marine 40,000.

That's what i meant. They could put it in the new CSM codex like they have in the past (3.5 i think?) but it woudl make more sense from a profit perspective to make a second book to use in conjunction with the official codex. it wouldnt even need to be a big book, just some tweaked rules for the legions, that would supplement, rather than replace the normal CSM rules. if we assuem it was codex sized, they coudl probably get away with 3-4 pages for each leegion, making a max pagec ount of 28 pages only.

That way people woudl have to buy both the CSM and the Legion book. Although if it was goign to be a small addition they coudl do it as a PDF or WD, but where's the money in that?

Praxiss wrote:

Griever wrote:

Praxiss wrote:Still dreaming of a Chaos Legions book with specific rules for the original traitor legions...........



Never going to happen obviously.

As long as it's in one book. If they tried releasing a codex for each legion they'd HAVE to rename the game Space Marine 40,000.

That's what i meant. They could put it in the new CSM codex like they have in the past (3.5 i think?) but it woudl make more sense from a profit perspective to make a second book to use in conjunction with the official codex. it wouldnt even need to be a big book, just some tweaked rules for the legions, that would supplement, rather than replace the normal CSM rules. if we assuem it was codex sized, they coudl probably get away with 3-4 pages for each leegion, making a max pagec ount of 28 pages only.

That way people woudl have to buy both the CSM and the Legion book. Although if it was goign to be a small addition they coudl do it as a PDF or WD, but where's the money in that?

A Legions Supplement codex might fit the bill,though IMO it would be nice to see Chaos return to a more "Chaosy feel" overall.( IE 3.5 style),however I wouldn't complain if a Legions add on was attached to the "standard" CSM Codex..
...And of course I'd like to see an" LOtD/Cultist/Traitor Guard" Codex,as the enemies that the Imperium encouters the most,I think they should have some representation..

There is still the FW rule set for Renegades whcih is pretty cool. i'll see if i can find a link....




Foudn it: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA5_RH.pdf

DakkaDakka wrote:

What I want to see is the 2 (soon to be 3) Chaos Codices condensed back into a single book.

The 4 Space Marine codices deserve the same. If special rules are necessary, it should only take a few pages to explain all of them.

The Imperial Guard are fine, but then we get into the Xenos...

Necrons are starved for an update, desperately so.
Tau are fine, with or without an update.
Eldar and Dark Eldar can be condensed to one book.
Nids should be updated.

The Inquisition should be condensed to one book.
That's all I have to say about that.