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@Grim-
Allowing to be used on Sieze pretty much made Siezes never occur, letting the guy who won first turn deploy super agressive with no risk. And allowing end of game rerolls made some games drag on unnessecarily. We noticed this at the Smackdown and decided to limit it to in turn rolls, as a result.

No, I totaly agree. those rolls (the ones you changed) change the game too much. It was disheartening to win that last game last year just to have the reroll continue the game to a loss. Looking forward to this saturday

Orks are all painted up, nearly 1 month of start to finish 2,000 points army. Ugh, a lot of painting... I hope everyone enjoys seeing my meganob deathwing!!

Good luck at the tourney, Blasto! We met at the Double Trouble last weekend in round 3




WAAAAAAAAGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks! Yeah that game was awesome man! Lots of WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! was happenin!

This event was FREAKING AWESOME can't wait till the Vegas one! Thanks for the great time!!! WAAAAAAAAGH!!

Blasto- your army looked awsome. Congrads on winning painting.

To the tourni Organizers. You all did a great job. Really fun event.
Thanks.

My only complaint was in the fourth round before lunch the TO's called out to the top tables that since the games were so close and important they wanted them to finish, so they could by playing into lunch if both you and your opponant could agree. This is bad. you either have a time limit or you don't and on top of this you left it to the players. In a tourny if you leave it to the players the one thats positivly affected by the end of the game has the advantage. leaving game changing TO desissions to the players is a bad idea and could leave someone with bad feelings.

So who won? When can we see some standings!

Hulk, Christian Alessi won best over all. He seized the initive on me with a leaf blower IG list in the last round at the top table. He played a great game, I made little KFF saves vs. 3 manticores, and he killed most my gak turn 1 and 2. He deserved the win and his list was brutal. I lost Best general by 3 points to the ork (doug from SanDiego who made it to adepticon finals this year) player I got a miner victory off of in the fourth round and ended up with 2nd best general. Blasto here on the forums got best painted with his beautiful Bad moons army.

edited for grammer, spelling, and a few more details.

Phazael wrote:@Grim-
Allowing to be used on Sieze pretty much made Siezes never occur, letting the guy who won first turn deploy super agressive with no risk. And allowing end of game rerolls made some games drag on unnessecarily. We noticed this at the Smackdown and decided to limit it to in turn rolls, as a result.

Phazael/Q could you break down what armies where there too when you post the results?

My guessing is that there was:
4 Orks
4 Grey Knights
2 Imperial Guard
2 Space Marines
2 Space Wolves
2 Blood angels
2 Tyranids
2 Necrons
1 Dark Eldar
1 Tau

I am missing a bunch

The Strategicon/Gamex event was a blast as a whole! My group (SoCal Crusaders) ran the Mega-Apocalypse events Fri night (Seminars), Sat and Sun. I participated as promised, in the tourney and had 5 tuff and fun games! I think Scott, Carol, Quinten, Jenn, Mike 'n Toby all did a great job of keeping the event running smoothly, especially with rules calls. That can make or break a tourney quick like!

The hotel was comfy and nice (though a few of us almost got kicked out Fri night!), the Strategicon staff were helpful and enthusiastic, as were most of the attendees! It's definitely nice to see this event continue to get better and return to it's older glory!

Only couple things were a lil' disappointing; first out of 7 Gray Nights and 5 Orks armies i fought ZERO of them! I was really looking forward to some classic scraps with my MUCH hated enemy in the Daemonhunters and the always fun and ferocious Orks! I still had a great time with my opponents, who all laughed ('cept game 5) at my outrageously horrid dice rolls for ANY kind of saves!

First round I fought Christian powered up Imperial Guard, and helped him table me by Turn 4! HAHahhahahahaa! Stupid dice! Good guy, nice looking army, he played smart!

Second round I faced his buddy with a VERY shooty Dark Eldar Army, Steve Smith! Venoms do WHAT?!??!?!?! I eeked out a victory there simply because he kept rollin' '1s' for dangerous terrain after turbo boosting into with his vehicles, so couldn't contest my first objective. His army was on the way to being fully painted with some nice subtle conversions. Again, nice guy!

My third game on Saturday was against a familiar face, Kelly Jernigan! I played against him months ago as a ringer over at GMI Games using the shops Nurgle Daemon army as the ringer. So now our rematch! LOL! He played his usual Space Marines, with Vulkan. Not a bad list, lil' of this and that. But his all stars were his 5 man assault terminators (thunder hammer & storm shields) w/Librarian!!! Damn things...in 3 rounds of combat, i inflicted 25 wounds needing invuls with my infamous Bloodcrushers...only 2 Termies fell! In the meantime, he systematically wiped out 20 out of 24 'crushers before I had to save them with a squad of Bloodletters!!!! So the INFAMOUS Dark General Hunt award went to Kelly, for killing so much of my tuff army with so lil! Great, great guy and I look forward to facing him again!

Sunday started off Game 4 for me, and I fought the only Tau list there, ran by Ryan Dougan. His army was almost fully painted, and looked pretty cool on the table because of the oranges he used! Most peeps felt sorry for him to have to face me, but since I really didn't show up to the tournament with hopes of winning, I had no problem helping him along with some advice on how to whoop my army! The mission was actually a very bad match up for me, because of the Slaughter Style Kill points. I told him what to pick as my 4 "victims" and he quickly wiped them out! LOL! I really couldn't pass any saves! Sad...lol! Oh well, in the end I killed his entire army except 2 Devilfishes and had quite a bit left, but I basically auto lost the game because of the Victory Conditions of the scenario. Ryan was a very laid back and easy going opponent, I hope he gets more time to get out and throw some dice!

Game 5 was kind of a spoof match up. My list rated the lowest pre-judged comp (3 years in a row now!!!) and my opponent's (Tadlock) was the highest! He played an almost all foot I.G. Army! One Basilisk, one vendetta, and two squads of 2 scout sentinels was the extent of his vehicles. Only a couple units of Vets, everything else was just nicely painted and ranked up Catachan dudes!!! The scenario had him pinned in the leftish corner from me, and as I had the first turn I let him go first (he lost a full round of shooting). My deepstrikes were almost perfect, everything scattering forwards towards him but not landing on anything. The game was fast paced and hard fought, as the Catachans fought bravely against my Khorne Daemon Legion...but in the end, Col Straken was the last model standing and he fell to the onslaught of failed fearless checks...a great fun game, that my opponent (Tadlock) was very thematic about! He even wore a red bandana to represent his all red bandana boyz!


I ended the tourney with 2 wins, 3 losses and many new contacts and sure to be fun Re-Matches!!!!

Hey Dark. That was an EPIC matchup. I was stunned my Termies didn't just die by the handful the way they normally do.
And to add insult to injury your last Bloodcrusher got popped by a Scout Sgt (with power weapon) when you assaulted that unit. I was so sure the Sternguard powerweapon SGT would finish it, but NOOOooooooo...
It has to be the Guardsmen on Roids (scouts) who get the job done.
Still, a VERY fun match with you and (regardless of win lose draw) looking forward to playing you again.
BTW, I still think had you used a beer as your "fallen objective" it would have motivated you to 5 Massacre victories. LOL

As for me:
Vulkan (drop podded with Sternguard)
Libby Terminator w StormShield (in LR with Termies)
5 Termies TH/SS
in a LR Redeemer with Extra armor and Multi-Melta
10 Sternguard; 3 Combi-melta, 2 Heavy Flamer, SGT w power weapon
in a drop pod (with Vulkan)
2x Tac Squads; Plasma cannon, meltagun, Sgt with combi-melta & power weapon
in a rhino
Scouts; combat blades, SGT with power weapon
Land Speeder Storm; with Multi-Melta
2x Vindicators

Record 4-1 (1 Massacred, 3 minor wins, 1 major win).

My most unfair matchup was Nathan and his White Scars. Objectives were to nominate 4 FOC slots of your opponents. Those were the KPs you were going after.
He had Khan on Moondrakken (3 KPs), Command Squad (3 KPs), Bike Chaplain (2 KPs) combined into 1 unit. My 4th choice was a bike squad (3KPs). Once the 7 man Khan unit was killed off (Nathan had TERRIBLE saves in that match) their was no way he could catch up.
Nothing bad about his Army (I have been thinking of a Bike Army myslef)...just that 1 missions rules put him in a bad spot from the beginning.

dkelly, your list looks scarily close to what I run with my Space Marines at tournaments.

I guess I'm on the right track.

I couldn't make it to the slaughter this year, but I hope I can catch you all at the smackdown!

It was a fun weekend. All of my opponents were a pleasure to play against. Actually the most awkward part was having to rank my opponents in order 1-5 for a sportsmanship score. I know why it was done, but it was still difficult.

I think the biggest thing I learned is that my dice are apparently super charged against Grey Knights.

Big thanks to the To's for putting it all together. Looking forward to the next one.

@ Darkgeneral, It was nice meeting you dude. To bad about what the close combat termis did to your list. Mine were the biggest weak link in my army. I think they killed a couple of plauge marines in all five games. Sad.

The unit of the tournament for me was my scouts. I blew up 2 landraiders in the first turn of two of the games, mopped up a whole loota squad on the charge, and only 1 scout with a sniper rifle aced a demon prince in melee, and then killed a single zerker after 3 rounds of combat, pulling out a last round tie for me. I have to say that the chaos player who lost his demon prince to my scout was the best sport of anyone i have played in ages. He cheered me and we high fived three times in the game. Thats how every tourni player should be. Dude. If your out there.... You rock.

I also have to say that i hated the 1st game. I rolled Rage for my special ability on both of my combat squads who were eventually forced to charge my grey knight foe who absolutly spanked them :(

My list.
Ultramarines.
Sicarius
Librarian in Terminator armor
Ironclad in drop pod
2 tactical squads, 1 in rhino, 1 razorback
scoutsquad
melta speeder storm
2 ac/las predators
2 melta/HF speeders
2 HB/HB speeders

I rolled Rage for my special ability on both of my combat squads who were eventually forced to charge

Put them in a rhino. They can rage all they want inside the box. The heavy weapon guy can still pop the hatch and shoot the enemy (movement rules apply of course).

Grimgob wrote:My only complaint was in the fourth round before lunch the TO's called out to the top tables that since the games were so close and important they wanted them to finish, so they could by playing into lunch if both you and your opponant could agree. This is bad. you either have a time limit or you don't and on top of this you left it to the players. In a tourny if you leave it to the players the one thats positivly affected by the end of the game has the advantage. leaving game changing TO desissions to the players is a bad idea and could leave someone with bad feelings.

I just want to point out that they offered this to every table and not just on round 4 (the 2nd day) but also in round 1 (the 1st day).

I totally get what you're saying about one player effectively choosing not to play into lunch because he knows doing so will likely be bad for him, but at the same time, being a player who more than anything appreciates the extra time to finish his games (because I genuinely like playing to the end of the game regardless of whether I'm winning or losing), I really, really enjoyed having that extra time available in those two rounds. On the first day we needed a little extra time and played well into lunch.

Personally I think having a bit of extra time is always a good thing. So if our lunch break was 1 hour (which I think it was), I would much rather go with a 30 minute lunch and have every round go an 'official' 2 hours & 45 minutes. I know MOST games won't need all that time, but I personally find it not to be a burden to kill some time waiting for the next round. On the flipside, I find it very annoying to *not* finish games that would have had their outcome change if they did finish naturally.

That was my point, I'll finish my games even if I'm loosing but its just another grey area which could lead to hurt feelings. The only game I didnt finish to completion was riddled with rules arguments (like 3rd turn changing mind of allowing me how I measure from deffrolla for 20min. and then just saying nevermind when judge was there) and when I asked to finish the game he said no, this games been pretty brutal, you already have the win and I still want to be in contention to win so I dont want to finish. I had a BW full of shoota boyz with PK Nob & big mek with PK within 6"of and 25 lootas in LoS of his last kill points (6 nobs all with 1 wound already). and he bested me by only 3 points for best overall, sorry I have bad feelings about it. I do like to finish my games too, The game I got tabled by IG was still better then that game.

Grimgob wrote:That was my point. The only game I didnt finish to completion was riddled with rules arguments

This is why I play a MANz list Tonz of fun on my WAAAAGH!! with Ghaz

I had a great time hanging out with buddies and throwing some dice with buddies,despite the fact that I was getting my butt kicked all weekend! Looking forward to next year.

And I enjoyed finaly getting a game in with you Reecius. Nids vs. orks is always bloody and it had quite a swing in the middle. I hope it was justice to watch my teeth kicked in in the last game I'm still planning on making it up to your open tourny. maybe I'll get a first turn revenge on Christian.

That is one of my pet peeves with tournaments, the fight over the last turn. I lost more games by not getting a last turn than by any other reason. Especially now that tournament are going up in points, and down in time it is hard to finish.

When there is 15 minutes left to play and you are about to win, you always get into an argument with your opponent over playing the last turn, and you could have finished it in the time it took you to argue over it.

It is nice to see a tournament that lets you play to the natural conclusion of the game.


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Grimgob wrote:And I enjoyed finally getting a game in with you Reecius. Nids vs. orks is always bloody and it had quite a swing in the middle. I hope it was justice to watch my teeth kicked in in the last game I'm still planning on making it up to your open tourny. maybe I'll get a first turn revenge on Christian.

Christian's list was brutal. I am still upset that my dice crapped out on me and he got a minor win.

GRIMGOB it was allot of fun to play against you and stealing the initiative was almost game over there. If you had gotten first turn i don't think i would have had a good chance of pulling it off. Thanks to the TOs for putting on this event it went smoothly and i had a good time. Plus all my opponents were good guys and fun to play against.

I won one match in part because of the time limit on the game. When the tourni organizer gave us the option to play into a prospective 6th round durng lunch, it would really have benefitted my foe and i refused. It made me feel a little like a jerk for doing so but when you are playing with a time limit in mind you make moves under the assumption that this will be the last turn of the game, etc. Had i known that there was the possiblility of anther round coming, i would probably not have played the same last turn game that i did. I think that both players get to complete their game turn is the most important consideration and that beyond that, both players should be opperating under the assumption that when the time limit is up and the second player finishes their last die roll, that the game is over.

I can see how the templars player that i faced would have been irrate with me for refusing to roll the die and see if a 6th round was in order, and to his credit he was understanding when i said "No" and he didnt dock me on my sportsmanship score.

We only made it to the 4th turn with at least 40 min. of stalling. I did dock but for rules disputes and not playing in a timly manner. I told my opponant this.

Cooper here, and I had fun playing all of the peeps I played against. Yakface and I played a game where almost nothing diied all match. I couldnt help but laugh the entire time. (Round 4 for those of you that were there)

For sure a lot of fun, and Reece you need to provide robes and a gallon of milk at the bay area open if I go, otherwise I will not be in attendance.

Count on it, Cooper!

By the way, can you tell me how to find Ork-Con? haha

Have you seen the guy in the robe?

It was a lot of fun to see you guys there, thanks again for running the tournament guys.

The results aren't posted anywhere yet are they?