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Maybe I'm confused here, but why would they pull old models for the batreps? I think we can all be confident Sisters, in particular, are destined to get a LOT of plastics (they're virtually all metal, IIRC). So why photograph old models? Wouldn't it make more sense to paint up the new models and do a batrep with them?

bthom37 wrote:Maybe I'm confused here, but why would they pull old models for the batreps? I think we can all be confident Sisters, in particular, are destined to get a LOT of plastics (they're virtually all metal, IIRC). So why photograph old models? Wouldn't it make more sense to paint up the new models and do a batrep with them?

Because the "old models" are fully painted armies.

Kanluwen wrote:

bthom37 wrote:Maybe I'm confused here, but why would they pull old models for the batreps? I think we can all be confident Sisters, in particular, are destined to get a LOT of plastics (they're virtually all metal, IIRC). So why photograph old models? Wouldn't it make more sense to paint up the new models and do a batrep with them?

Because the "old models" are fully painted armies.

Is that normal for WD batreps introing a new codex? (Haven't read a WD since 3rd ed, so it's a honest question)

I do not doubt Necrons and SOB are in the imminent future - I'm just curious why they'd photograph old models instead of the new ones. I would assume most of the new models are done - why not paint them up?

bthom37 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

bthom37 wrote:Maybe I'm confused here, but why would they pull old models for the batreps? I think we can all be confident Sisters, in particular, are destined to get a LOT of plastics (they're virtually all metal, IIRC). So why photograph old models? Wouldn't it make more sense to paint up the new models and do a batrep with them?

Because the "old models" are fully painted armies.

Is that normal for WD batreps introing a new codex? (Haven't read a WD since 3rd ed, so it's a honest question)

I do not doubt Necrons and SOB are in the imminent future - I'm just curious why they'd photograph old models instead of the new ones. I would assume most of the new models are done - why not paint them up?

It all depends on what parts they needed. More often than not, they pull the 'old models' for three reasons.

1) Photographing parts of them for WD showcases or battle reports, which don't necessarily mean they'll be "a WD batrep introing a new Codex". They might just be doing a WD batrep with the army involved to give them some love.
2) They pull the 'old models' so that the painters have references to work from when painting the 'new' display army.
3) They're pulled for playtesting or to be replaced.

Kanluwen wrote:
It all depends on what parts they needed. More often than not, they pull the 'old models' for three reasons.

1) Photographing parts of them for WD showcases or battle reports, which don't necessarily mean they'll be "a WD batrep introing a new Codex". They might just be doing a WD batrep with the army involved to give them some love.
2) They pull the 'old models' so that the painters have references to work from when painting the 'new' display army.
3) They're pulled for playtesting or to be replaced.

Ah - makes more sense! Thanks!

(edited for less multi-quote)

Nice sleuthing!
Finally the necrons and the sisters are getting redone.

redeyed wrote:lol. I think the SOB have more to fear from GK according to Mr Ward!!

Sorry haven't read the GK book but did he sneak in some Grey Knight character drop kicking a nun into space or something?

Ixquic wrote:

redeyed wrote:lol. I think the SOB have more to fear from GK according to Mr Ward!!

Sorry haven't read the GK book but did he sneak in some Grey Knight character drop kicking a nun into space or something?

Go to 40k General Discussion and look for a Grey Knight thread that's 20+ pages long.

Nobody answer this question because we don't need yet another Ward hate thread.

Thanks so much for the detective work. I'm very excited for both Necron and Sisters to get some attention from GW. Looking forward to seeing how it all works out.

bthom37 wrote:Maybe I'm confused here, but why would they pull old models for the batreps? I think we can all be confident Sisters, in particular, are destined to get a LOT of plastics (they're virtually all metal, IIRC). So why photograph old models? Wouldn't it make more sense to paint up the new models and do a batrep with them?

Well the entire army hadn't gone, just the vast majority of it. There were probably about 7 or 8 models in the cabinet, not too sure what they were though, think Celestine, some cherubs, female inquisitor and a few others. But the poster who said about using them for playtesting and stuff in general is more than likely close to the money.

Obviously what I posted isn't guaranteed to be 100% accurate, it's just what I saw and what opinions I have drawn from that so I just wanted to put that information out there and everyone can form their own opinions in due course. It was never meant to be a 'News' story as such, hence why the title of the thread was originally so brief, I didn't want to post something which suggested I had hardline evidence that certain armies were coming soon. Like I say, it's just what I saw and the thoughts I had upon seeing that.

Also wanted to say thank you for the post appreciation too guys, just hope my detective work does live up to your hopes - which only time will tell!

One thing that i thought too, and I'm not sure if it means anything or not, but Tau were represented in the cabinet in their entirety with no visible gaps as far as I remember. Going on the assumption, and it is just an assumption, that certain missing or mostly missing armies are coming soon, then it doesn't look good for the Tau Empire!

Here's hoping I'm completely wrong on that one then guys!

To the OP,

Why would they use the old Sisters of Battle army to take photographs of them for WD battlereport if they are going to be new?

Perhaps if they were doing a battle report with another race:

Say Necrons vs Sisters in a rehash of Sanctuary 101, with the necrons being the new models they're trying to push.

The Necrons would look awesome compared to the outdated Sisters models, and therefore increase the 'must-buy' factor.

even if the sisters new models were ready also, they'd likely still hold them until release date so as to sell the older ones until that time, and have something new to show off when the new sisters codex drops.

It could also be the other way around, of course


*edit for dyslexia *

Brother Ramses wrote:To the OP,

Why would they use the old Sisters of Battle army to take photographs of them for WD battlereport if they are going to be new?

Asked and answered. The thread is only two pages long...

bthom37 wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:To the OP,

Why would they use the old Sisters of Battle army to take photographs of them for WD battlereport if they are going to be new?

Asked and answered. The thread is only two pages long...

This.

Great detective work - I look forward to seeing how true it almost certainly is, within the next 3 months.

The Decapitator wrote: And Sisters of Battle vs Tyranids with Sisters being the new army (with a possibility of new Nid models if rumours are to be believed.) Obviously the reason I've come up with these 2 possibilities is because is be surprised and shocked if Necrons and Sisters were released at the same time, however cool it would be to refight the battle at Sanctury 101

As a necron player, I take issue with you referring to it as the battle at Sanctuary 101.

I'm sorry, I couldn't remember exactly what it is referred to as. Massacre is the correct term right?

You have my humblest, heartfelt apologies. I shall go outside and prey forgiveness to the God-Emperor immediately!

Shep wrote:There has been a long tradition of the missing army case being a totally legit way to predict what is around the bend.

My guesses are that the nids were pulled down to be photographed alongside the rumored new plastic kits that we should see this year. If those models come out before the necrons, then we may see the necrons fighting against the nids in a battle report. if they come out before the necrons, then on that month we may see a Cruddace book versus Cruddace book face off between nids and IG.

Then if, after the necrons come out, the sisters come out, we will most certainly see a big battle report of sanctuary 101.

So if the release order is...

nid wave 2
necrons
sisters

then the batreps I predict are going to be...

nids/ig
nids/necrons
necrons/sisters


They always like to get the previous army in there as the adversary of the new army, to keep that sales momentum going. Except for things like grey knights, who have an obvious nemesis. (get it?)

Doesn't the Nid Codex talk of a hivefleet floating through space and they happen upon a tomb world. after realizing the inhabitants of this world was the *already dead* they changed course and headed towards somewhere else (not sure where though). So if they were to keep to the fluff why would they fight necron vs tyranid as the first Necron 5th ed battle report.

Not so much that the world was already dead, if i remember my Necron dex.

If i remember right hive fleet Leviathan (i think) detoured around an unidentified stellar body about 1 au in diameter (au= distance from earth to sun i think) which left a fair few worlds unmenaced. They don't go into why (hints and whispers my fave kind of fluff) but a lot of fluff officianados believe that it's the Outsider's prison/home..

There is some fluff discussion that maybe the Ctan are behind the Nids, but as with all good conspiracy theories, there are theories that the C'tan are behind everything, and none of it provable

This is good evidence indeed, lets hope in the near future that these clues prove right.

I noticed this last week, and was very surprised by how many armies were "on campaign".

I got the feeling that there were quite a few character models missing from pretty much every army too. I wondered if that might have anything to do with the rumoured change away from metals...

Ouze wrote:Great detective work - I look forward to seeing how true it almost certainly is, within the next 3 months.

Don't hold your breath... the next 40k release is more Dark Eldar in June. That leaves only enough time for one codex before the end of the year. Most sources point to Necrons before SoB.

Starchild wrote:Don't hold your breath... the next 40k release is more Dark Eldar in June. That leaves only enough time for one codex before the end of the year. Most sources point to Necrons before SoB.

How do you figure that? We still have August, September, October and November available for army releases. Even assuming that Ogre Kingdoms and Necrons take two slots, there's more than enough room for GW to slot in a third book. If they can fit three books into March, April May, they can fit three into August-November.

Not saying that you're wrong, mind, just that it is weird to be so sure.

This year will be fuller than last year and I wouldn't rule out the possibility of more than one Codex second half of the year, can't confirm it either though.

i don't want to rain on anyones parade but in the back of this months white dwarf it says the citadel hall of mini's is being refurbished through may.this is the most likely reason armies were missing.they must be packing them up for safety.

Iamjack42 wrote:

Starchild wrote:Don't hold your breath... the next 40k release is more Dark Eldar in June. That leaves only enough time for one codex before the end of the year. Most sources point to Necrons before SoB.

How do you figure that? We still have August, September, October and November available for army releases. Even assuming that Ogre Kingdoms and Necrons take two slots, there's more than enough room for GW to slot in a third book. If they can fit three books into March, April May, they can fit three into August-November.

Not saying that you're wrong, mind, just that it is weird to be so sure.

Mainly it's info from the heavy hitter rumour mongers on Warseer, but it's also just general GW behaviour.

Consider for example the Dark Eldar launch. It was so big it had to happen over a span of time. The Blood Angels stole a bit of the thunder but they didn't come out until 3 months later (iirc). They might also stretch the Necron releases over a number of months instead of releasing everything at once.

I'm not saying that the Necrons will be this way, but now that GW has relaxed the release schedule (focusing on models more than codex books) we're more likely to see more 40k but not necessarily another codex before December.

basically:
May - Tomb Kings
June - Dark Eldar 3rd wave
July - Storm of Magic

That leaves four months to cram in Fantasy, WotR and 40k. So at most, Necrons and maybe the rumoured 40k flyer supplement.

Make of this what you will . . .

Let the flood of crazy conspiracy theory responses begin...

Actually you could do something like this :

May : TK
June : DE 2nd wave (yes, it's their 2nd wave. They've had 1st and 1.5 with beastmasters)
July : Storm of Magic
August : Necrons
September : Fantasy or LotR
October : Sisters
November : Ogre Kingdoms

ghost21 said OK would be near Halloween which in October so they could either get the October or November slot.
Necrons are said to be in August or just before Games Day UK.

Missing would be the so called Summer of Fliers and Tyranid 2nd wave.

Personally I think they might do Fliers in the second half of June. Basically first half for Talos, Cronos, wracks, grotesques and haemonculi.

Then week 3 of June they would do Venom, Razorwing/Voidraven and Scourges.
On top of this the fliers expansion. Then again it is rumoured to be big enough for an independent release.
They could also release it in July together with the Fantasy expansion, GW does seem to have a summer release schedule for expansions. At least as far back as I can remember.

The Decapitator wrote:
One thing that i thought too, and I'm not sure if it means anything or not, but Tau were represented in the cabinet in their entirety with no visible gaps as far as I remember. Going on the assumption, and it is just an assumption, that certain missing or mostly missing armies are coming soon, then it doesn't look good for the Tau Empire!

Here's hoping I'm completely wrong on that one then guys!

Oh boy, this is very disappointing for us Tau players.... If the 'army missing in the cabinet' theory is true. And the theory sounds more solid than any other I have heard so far. My poor Firewarriors

It's interesting that this year is full of launches compared to last if you add in all product lines plus the rumored expansion sets that are not confirmed. If the expansions are what has been guessed then I'd say that virtually everyone has something to look forward too. Well, those into games workshop. I think some 'missing' units are being used for reasons mentioned above and with luck some revamped or substituted.

Checking which cabinets are empty is normally a pretty good way to predict what will be in White Dwarf in 3-4 months time, however this doesn't necessarily mean what new armies are coming out.

It could be a two page spread photo advertising a product or event, or a battle report, or something like the realm of battle boards. All of these photos are done in house for White Dwarf and involves the use of the minis from the Warhammer World cabinets.

However, these photos are also used in Codexes etc and so can sometimes give an insight, and as has been said White Dwarf will often feature a Battle Report with the newest release.

If it's any consolation to Tau players when I was at Warhammer World a couple of weeks ago the entire Tau army was listed as "on campaign", along with most of the Ork army, all of the Sisters of Battle army, but none of the Necrons.

It's interesting to note that Sisters have been gone for at least 2-3 weeks though by the sounds of it.