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You smash my models with a hammer, you will have a far worse thing to worry about than the rules( mainly my army training being directed towards you.)

The rules mention modeling and conversions without saying they are illegal; therefore, logic precludes that they are legal. Destroying my models, while unaddressed in the rule book, will not be supported by any player, judge, or third party observer.

If you want to play purely by the split hairs of the book, no, it does not mention altering bases, legally or otherwise. All it says it that models sold with bases must be glued to their bases. Flying stems for JETBIKES is not mentioned in the slightest.

What is mentioned is modeling and conversions. They are encouraged by the company that makes the rules and models, so it is legal. If it weren't, that would be like FIFA encouraging handballs and other illegal soccer stuff, then selling playing equipment to enable it.

-cgmckenzie

ps-seriously leaving now, I have an emperor battle titan to build and none of these rules affect it.

cgmckenzie wrote:The rules mention modeling and conversions without saying they are illegal; therefore, logic precludes that they are legal.

It does nothing of the sort.What you need to prove that it is legal is a rule that says it is legal. Not just a statement that some people choose to do it.


In practice, people generally accept it... but there are quite simply no rules in 40K that cover altering your models.

If you want to play purely by the split hairs of the book, no, it does not mention altering bases, legally or otherwise. All it says it that models sold with bases must be glued to their bases. Flying stems for JETBIKES is not mentioned in the slightest.

As has been mentioned previously in this thread, the flight stem is a part of the base.

What is mentioned is modeling and conversions. They are encouraged by the company that makes the rules and models, so it is legal.

Again, this is false logic. Altering the rules is also encouraged by the company that makes the rules. That doesn't make your altered rules legal. It makes them something that you can use if you and your opponent choose to use them.

If it weren't, that would be like FIFA encouraging handballs and other illegal soccer stuff, then selling playing equipment to enable it.

Indeed it would.

And the result would be the same. You would be free to use your 'non-game-legal' soccer stuff at home with your friends, but it wouldn't be legal to use in any 'official' game.

Just one quick addition since insaniak covered the other points quite thoroughly. Check out the flying bases for sale on GW's website. None of them are advertised as a flying base and a flying stem. Both pieces are a part of a [I]single base.

There are just three actual rules about models in the BRB:
1) You must use Citadel Miniatures.
2) Any model must be glued to the Base it was provided with, unless it's a skimmer.
3) If base is different sized you need an opponents permission to field the model.

So, as soon as you use anything except the Citadel stuff, or change the base, your opponent/TO has full rules backing to veto your model out. Which will usually not happen unless you are trying to model for advantage.

Recent tourney ruling:

So running some deffkoptas at big tourney. The deffkopta's were to move, shoot and shot at as if on the bases if it were to become an issue.