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Kroothawk wrote:Would you buy Hamburgers with a 25% chance to bite on a dead beetle?
Esp. when these Hamburgers cost 50% more than normal ones?
Or a 50% chance that your new car has no issues?
25% FUBR is not an acceptabe rate for a premium product.

and polls like this are NOT accurate in anyway.


they tend to err on the side of showing the problem to be more severe then it actually is.

People that got a miscast minature are much more likely to chime in and voice their thoughts then people with no complaints.


and this poll doesn't take into account how many models people bought.

if someone bought 10 models and all but one were perfect, and that one had just a little bubble on the bottom where no one can see it anyway, he would be unlikely to say there was a problem as opposed to someone who bought one model and there was a bubble right in the middle of his face.



the fact this poll is actually showing that most people are satisfied is saying that the displeased ones with miscasts are in a very tiny majority.

htj wrote:Although a miscast and eating a dead beetle don't really have the same degree of unpleasantness for me.

Me neither, I'd rather eat a dead beetle any day of the week.

Both are ok with me,


with the miscast i can get my money back or a replacement,

with the dead beetle I can sue the hamburger company for a bajillion dollars and buy a whole new army(or 10)

Delephont wrote:

htj wrote:Although a miscast and eating a dead beetle don't really have the same degree of unpleasantness for me.

Me neither, I'd rather eat a dead beetle any day of the week.

I know, right? Especially after it's soaked up all those tasty burger juices. Yum!

I purchased a number of Finecast figures. Those that had problems were quickly replaced with ones that didn't. I've still got to call customer service today though. An Incubi box came with only four Incubi instead of five.

Best do that quick
I had the same with a Land Raider once (broken door)
They gave me a new one.
The other one is now being sad with a glued door.

Kroothawk wrote:Would you buy Hamburgers with a 25% chance to bite on a dead beetle?
Esp. when these Hamburgers cost 50% more than normal ones?
Or a 50% chance that your new car has no issues?
25% FUBR is not an acceptabe rate for a premium product.

Good thing that rate is nowhere near 25% than. Given that I went to a GW store just to take a look at the finecast stock and see how bad it was, it's possible I went to the one store in the world where all the stock was fine, but out of the three dozenish models I inspected, except for two Njal's with a bit of mold stuck in their teeth, none of them had miscasting flaws that I could see through the blister.

Kroothawk wrote:Would you buy Hamburgers with a 25% chance to bite on a dead beetle?

Actually yes, insect meat normally contains more protein than beef.

Noone said that polls like this are exact science, but as with my Chibihawk and Dreadknight poll, it helps get a clearer view on what people think. And as this thread shows, people finding no flaw in Finecast models are at least as vocal as the critics. But the abundance of photographed miscast models on the internet, all found on release day, is proof that there is a major problem.

BTW I bought one model, it had a major miscast, but as an experienced modeller, I can repair it.

I have heard many reports of people who got 4 incubi for the price of 5. Might be the most common problem.

Kroothawk wrote:Noone said that polls like this are exact science, but as with my Chibihawk and Dreadknight poll, it helps get a clearer view on what people think. And as this thread shows, people finding no flaw in Finecast models are at least as vocal as the critics. But the abundance of photographed miscast models on the internet, all found on release day, is proof that there is a major problem.

BTW I bought one model, it had a major miscast, but as an experienced modeller, I can repair it.

Why not just exchange it?

Anyone have any experience with the Emperors Champion? I'm making a jump to Black Templars, since..ya know..they're awesome.

Yep!

Quite a number!!!! Every model (5 in total) have had problems and needed to be changed!

Not happy!

I purchased several models. One of them was absolutely perfect, Queek had a couple of biggish bubbles/warpy bits, Gothmog was good, but the Troll Chieftan had some serious issues. He was missing an ear and the other ear was half off, his torso, when aligned with his legs, left a 1/4 inch gap. When I exchanged it, the other one was just as bad as far as those issues, but the left arm was completely hosed; the mold was misaligned by a good 1/4 inch. That's it as far as what I bought, but the guy next to me went through 4 Azhag boxes; they were all missing their heads. The GW manager called all the other local stores about Azhag, but none of them had any problems (so far).

Would anyone care to show pics of their miscasts?

A 50% failure rate is unacceptable. Hopefully, GW will get better at this.

Kroothawk wrote:Hi,
this thread is to get a more objective overview on the abundance of Finecast miscasts. So if you have bought a Finecast model, did it have a slight or considerable miscast? Or was it a perfect cast? Major miscast means a missing foot or chin, a broken staff. A minor miscast might be a tiny hole or anything else easily fixed with greenstuff or paint.

If you haven't bought a model, there is no option for you in the poll, just watch.

You cannot have an objective result from this Poll.

The respondents' values of Quality vary widely.

Not to mention what each considers to be a small fix with resin, as skill levels vary.

Biased poll is biased, and terrible attempts at spin are too obvious for much comment to be needed.

Replacement for metal /= premium product. Unless all those hive guard and zoeys have been "Premium"? If so give me the resin, can put together in 10 minute version rather than the gak we had before.

If you want to create a more balanced poll, have a look at Yaks method, copied by many others, whcih may give you somethign a little more valid to talk about.

Bought a Succubus and Lelith, both had massive mould lines (the models were misaligned!) and air bubbles all over the legs. Also was covered with bits of mould (pink bits) inside all the hair and crevasses of the model. Also the succubus loin cloth was miscast and had a massive hole inside it.

Needless to say, I was unimpressed... Even moreso that the other copies of Lelith and the Succubus in store had even more faults than the ones I bought!

Oh, and to point out - crowe, IG commisar and a couple other models (presents, hence not saying what!) were all fine.

It would appear the GW messed up due to their relative inexperience in using the new resin mix and their utter lack of quality control.
IMHO they should have spent a few months making them so they could figure out what goes wrong with it before releasing them... or they should just of had the FW replacement policy...

Is it just me or would claiming miscasts on new finecast models be an easy way for those with a more *ahem* flexible moral code to pick up 2 for the price of 1 models? I'd imagine GW will be pretty generous in the doling out of replacement figures in order to keep PR positive for their new product.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Biased poll is biased, and terrible attempts at spin are too obvious for much comment to be needed.

You are free to make an unbiased poll on "Have you bought a Finecast miscast?" with the three options 1.) No 2.) Never and 3.) Everything is perfect (maybe add 4.) Model is a perfect cast but I won't admit it because I hate GW)

And GW presents them as premium product to justify the price for the metal miniatures and the even more expensive Finecast models (including the 2-3x 60 Euro Hive Guard units you need for competitive play).

They really need to fix their methods of resin casting, because as of now I think this is a step in the wrong direction.

Sorry, since when were metal considered "premium"? I have never seen *anything* which states they are premium

Any sources to back up your wild claim?

1.) The price compared to other miniature ranges, e.g. historical, Reaper, Mantic.
2.) The explicit statement by IIRC Tom Kirby that GW is the Mercedes-Benz of tabletop gaming to justify its high price policy.

1) Been there, done that. Mantic are the oddity, GW is broadly comparable to all others - especially when you consider the price premium for retail space included in all prices
2) So, that would be everything, including plastics then. Where it is leaps and bounds ahead.

and you forget

3) their returns / replacements policy, which is second to none in how they bend over backwards to help out.

Sorry, with all the GW negativity need to attempt to put some balance on these topics. Its sorely lacking. The problems with the way your poll was constructed were pointed out further up. Use Yaks method next time, if you want a fairer poll.

Nos if you want fair you should really disconnect your internet connection, fair and the internet don't generally go together.

Even assuming some people are full of it and some are stretching the truth a bit about how bad the miscasts are I think it's decently safe to say there is at least a slight quality issue right now. Very rarely were GW's metal models so bad you had to return them. You might have gotten some really insane flash lines but it was REALLY rare to be missing limbs or such.

However, putting up a biased poll and then trying to draw some "zomg" conclusions from it is pure fail.

Especially when methods and examples of putting up fairer polls exists on the very same site, by the site owner.

You cannot draw any conclusions frmo the basic results of this poll, even a basic understanding of psychology tells you that. Given the selection bias inherent in terminology, options and the lack of clarity in the options trying to estimate a "failure" rate is unsafe.

Pretending otherwise is delusional.

Movac wrote:Hmm, I didn't expect to see these polls results with all the bitching threads. Silent majority I guess.

Silent majority? No majority more like. I think 'New Coke' is the most accurate description yet. Finecast sticks together easier, but this is balanced out by the fact that 80% of the finecast miniatures I've seen have had rediculously bent swords, staffs etc. My Autarch looks like he's holding a banana. Don't bother trying to straighten it either, it just springs back to a 60 degree angle. I ended up having to iron him. It didn't end well.

At least metal models were cheaper. And fixable too. I'd rather that that having to buy 5 autarchs to get 1 straight sword (you should see those striking scorpions).

You cannot draw any conclusions frmo the basic results of this poll, even a basic understanding of psychology tells you that. Given the selection bias inherent in terminology, options and the lack of clarity in the options trying to estimate a "failure" rate is unsafe.

No. I get my statistics from 2 boxes of scorpions and an Autarch. As well as a friend's warboss and an Archon (LFGS).