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It's an interesting point to compare the two but we all know the price of metal is to blame for the change really. I would also suggest the amount of mini's they will have had to produce to enable a complete relaunch of the scale they have done must be to the detriment of the quality control at the least if not other aspects of the process. I expect quality to rise as well as GW's stock as a result. (plus it all bounces, bends, bonds and breaks less).

Bah... GW are rank amatures at resin casting... I've been casting their stuff for awhile and had these problems licked within a week.

*Hint: they need new molds, and someone who knows how to make 'em.*

I guessed wrong :(

yep! one is more expensive!

AnkyG wrote:It's an interesting point to compare the two but we all know the price of metal is to blame for the change really.

is it really?, oh, so thats why I can buy 24 metal models for only £24, or commanders for only £4-6 from different companies.
hell I can do an entire metal army for about £150, with about 150 models, you try doing a guard army with 150 plastic infantry, the infantry alone are probably close to £250, and thats plastic.

you can't blame the material when the company is the problem.

guys, you are forgetting that in order to make finecast more detailed, GW had to make new moulds. and while the resin and the mould may not be very expensive, the people that make the moulds on the other hand, are very expensive indeed. so will you please stop bitching about prices and realise that the miscasts will be fixed in the next batch or two, and the prices are always going to go up, no matter what we do.

Which would work, if the models were actually more detailed. Which they aren't.

on a select few of the models. on most of them the details have been vastly improved, my astorath for instance is absolutely stunning. and there was very little cleanup to do, despite having to cut off the bat-nipples

Nope, no extra detail just the existing detail being more crisply cast. Astorath is funny in that I've seen a miscast issue with these that is actually fairly cool, virtually all of these I've seen have air bubbles where there eyes should be, looks proper freaky in a good way. A happy accident lol

Stella Cadente wrote:

AnkyG wrote:It's an interesting point to compare the two but we all know the price of metal is to blame for the change really.

is it really?, oh, so thats why I can buy 24 metal models for only £24, or commanders for only £4-6 from different companies.
hell I can do an entire metal army for about £150, with about 150 models, you try doing a guard army with 150 plastic infantry, the infantry alone are probably close to £250, and thats plastic.

you can't blame the material when the company is the problem.

I'm not saying it's justified its just why they have done it. Price is as it is I'm happy to pay if I wasn't I wouldn't. It's not to say its cheap but the market leader has no need to undercut it's rivals and someone has to be at the top. GW deserve to be there and any other producer would be no different in there position. GW is a PLC now and not a hobbiest run company it passion is in the staff and customers and will never be in the share holders. I don't think finecast is a way of them screwing us out of our money but long term is obviously the way the company feels it can project better profits for the future.

yes, i liked that accident (or deliberate mistake). but the extra detail isn't just from the crisper cast, even though that is still an improvement, they had to remake the moulds for the models to incorporate the new material. they also changed some of the models a little, i can't remember which one though

one on the left looks beter

All the new moulds were made from the same masters used for making the metal moulds. None of the models were resculpted.

one of my friends pointed out that one of the models in the, high elf range i think, had changed. and the greens will not have changed (other than the few examples) but the quality of the moulds will have due to the advancement of skill over time; resin will enhance this increase even more so, thus it is worth it

well i dont play i only paint/collect so i couldnt care less that some models became a little bit more expensive... i think the models do look better (even with the extra work you have to put into it) and they are much easier to take appart to convert them...

paint sticks on better, they dont dent my table or wooden floor if you drop them, they wont fall into a thousand pieces if you drop them, details look better...

i dont care GW models are more expensive (and even so, its only a few models that where effected by the price increase) but they also had to invest not only in the new moulds, they also had to research the resin used... like you dont get cancer if you file the models... research costs more money than most people seem to realize...

marketing also costs a small fortune...

and the price increase (i think) is to try to get the Independent Retailers out of the market, so you will have to buy from their website or their hobbyshop so they get the full 100% profit, not the 15% they would otherwise have...

There was no R+D they bought in existing technology ;-) plus GW makes a better margin off selling to independent stockists than they do selling through there own stores, at least this was the case when I still worked for them.

but they earn more when you buy from their website instead of a independent website