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Mortarion? I dunno how badly he handled him. The rest bar Fulgrim and possibly Perturabo were nearly unavoidable.

What would be of the Primarch that would seem from the back stories given to be in corruptible if chaos had chosen to target them,Here is what i woud say
-Lion El'Johnson-
-Leman Russ
-Rouboute Guillman
Cant realy think of put it into wrods but here is a starting list.
But also maybe chaos might have trageted the Spacewolf chapter interms of the Genetic " error".

Its possible the reason He treated some of his sons so badly is that from the start He new there would be a heresy and He new they would turn on Him no matter what He did and it was only that Horus turned that surprised Him.

Having told them about chaos would end just as bad, Russ Dorn etc would listen to him but Magnus, Guillman and some of the others would be arrogant enough that when the Emperor sits them down to talk about chaos all they will hear is 'if you make a deal with these guys they can give you more power, and with that power you wont have to worry about upholding your side of the bargain.'

iproxtaco wrote:Mortarion? I dunno how badly he handled him. The rest bar Fulgrim and possibly Perturabo were nearly unavoidable.

Unless the background changed, basically Mortarion defeated all but one of the "lords" of his home, that one being his adopted father. He was coming back from the next to last one when he met with the leader of the human settlement meeting with the Emperor and telling him "oh yeah, this guy's going to solve all our problems for us."

The Emperor could have done something differently then, but he instead shamed his son by following him up the mountain, killing the other lord after Mortarion was incapacitated, then expecting Mortarion to fall over himself in gratitude.

In a similar fashion, he teleported Angron up to his ship. Had he teleported the War Hounds (later the World Eaters) down instead to fight with him...

And Lorgar, well, if Lorgar had never been shamed, would he have been able to turn as easily towards worshiping Chaos?

The Emperor just made mistakes, there is no reason to think he acted knowing the primarhs would turn. He expected the primarchs to see things from his perspective and only be interested in the bigger picture. Being brought up on human planets unaware of the emperor meant that they did care about individual people. The emperor expected Angron to get angry then move on because there were many more humans that he could save. He didn't save the rebels because he didn't see there would be a problem, but Angron wasn't really interested in the bigger picture, they were his family and the emperor killed them. This was something the emperor couldn't expect beacuse he no longe thought like a human. After living so long he had become detached and only cared about large numbers of people.

The Emperor could've prevented the heresy by not creating sons with obvious personality flaws.

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When the Emperor first arrived to find Lorgar, they threw weeks of religious celebrations in his honor, and the Emperor didn't make a peep about it. For the next century of conquests, the Emperor was fully aware of Lorgar's MO, and still never made an issue of it. Then, all of a sudden, the Emperor sends the Ultramarines (Lorgar and Guilliman had a lot of friction between them) to massacre half the population of Lorgar's home planet, and then annihilate the city with an orbital bombardment. Then the Emperor sent down Malcador to dress Lorgar down, and when Lorgar refused to listen to some punk-ass human, the Emperor finally showed up himself, made Lorgar and his entire Legion kneel in the dust of their annihilated city (while Guilliman and the Ultras remained standing and watched), and said everything Lorgar had won and done was worthless and without merit and out of all the Legions, Lorgar and the Word Bearers were the only utter failures. Then he assigned 20 Custodes (who in private conversation referred to Lorgar as 'that weakling primarch') to babysit the Legion, and peaced out.

Thnks for the info... Wow. That was a bit dumb, mr. Emperor

Don't know if burning their world to cinders and making them bow to, of all legions, the Ultramarines is any worse than giving command of a host of superhuman soldiers to a guy who has ostensibly devoted his life to the very things you've worked so hard to supress...Makes me think that this whole Astartes idea was doomed from day one.


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Anyways, I doubt the Heresy would have been too different without Lorgar gossiping Chaos into the Astartes. Horus had wet dreams of power and cruelty and the rule of the strong well before that. Magnus the Red was one step short of shaking hands with Tzeentch himself, Fulgrim was already enjoying his daemonblade, Mortarion was toying with the idea of becoming a tyrant and Angron was... well, being Angron. Lorgar's main accomplishment was letting the primarchs know that they were acting weird for a reason. A banner and some names to direct their worship to.

Not that it's a small feat, but for what we've been told of the Heresy, the unifying force behind the traitor legions was, mostly, Horus himself. Warmaster first, Chaos second.

The heresy would still have happened but removing even one traitor legion could have drastically changed the result.