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Snarky wrote:I reckon Belial and Logan are pretty useful since they are necessary to unlock certain army builds.

I play DW/RW and even though Belial is one of the weaker heroes he lets your WHOLE army be terminators. So that in itself is pretty powerful. Same with Logan I believe although Logan can hold his own much better.

I also play Orks and I LOVE Gazzy even though I have never had the chance to use him. His stats are monstrous! But I do dred bash/line with mekboyz so :/

If you are going for a single character that can murder anything I'd go with Gazzy, Mephiston, GK guy (forgot his name already wow), Kharne, Necron god dudes etc.

If you want a support hero that will help your whole army i'd say Njal is pretty dang good. Sammael and Belial for sure because they allow bikes and terminators to be troops respectively. Vulkan, Emperor's Champ (maybe not named), Eldrad, Khan (BIKES!)

You get the idea. It kind of depends on your style and your army in my opinion.

I am a fan of Marneus Calgar - the ability to pass or fail any morale test for the entire army is pretty strong, especially since if you choose to pass, you aren't considered fearless and don't have to take extra tests. That ability right there is what armies that are fearless wish they had instead Pedro Kantor is also nice in an army list that uses a lot of sternguards, especially if you can keep him close to the leading edge of your army so you benefit from his +1 attack special. Vulkanis nice for the TL meltas/flamers. The rest of the SM characters aren't really worth the points IMO. I don't see any really useful characters in the Tau codex either - stubborn for all units in LOS of Aun'va would be nice except you really don't want your fire warriors sticking around in combat. A close combat character? In a Tau list? Thanks, but i'll pass. If Shadowsun had different weapons options she might be appealing, but 12" weapons on your commander is a little too close to the enemy for my tastes in a Tau army.

sennacherib wrote:I would not go so far as to say that the deathleaper is good. and the doom, well that is situational. Swarmlord though for sure.
Also i am afraid that mephiston is out in my book too. Unit of 1, with no invuln. Last two times i faced him i just shot him dead before he could do anything.

I got to ask, how many units fired at him to kill him, and how many turns did it take?

Mephiston takes a few tactics to use. You can't just run him head first in front of the army. You need to use an assault squad as cover for him.

Tau - Farsight, he brings 7 more vets and 14 shield drones to the party.

BA - Dante, dude mercs the faces off enemy heroes.

BA - Mephiston, dude is a one man wrecking ball.

Orkz - Ghazzy, cuz hez da biggest!

IG - Marbo, because everyone has a funny marbo story or two.

Chaos: Skulltaker and Kairos. Skulltaker is awesome. If you don't have eternal warrior, you're toast. Bye bye Nids...

Mephiston is best in a mech list, where he can hide behind vehicles, then fly out and ruin stuff without mass Power Weapons. He's basically a flying Monstrous Creature with a Psychic Hood who can get cover saves easily and has frag grenades.

Today we are actually having a sort of hero deathmatch at my local GW. SO maybe I after that I can come back with some definitive results haha.

I will be using Lysander for my hero. I had the model lying around and thought i'd challenge myself and paint him up (so much yellow!). Here's a link if you are interested

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/378619.page

Anywho, I chose Lysander because he's tough as nails and hits like a truck. 4 wounds with eternal warrior, a 2+3++, and a s10 thunder hammer sound pretty damn good when fighting another hero. But that's just me.

Well, I do not play named character. They just have a bad taste for me and they are generally overpriced for what they can achieve.

p-chan wrote:I am a fan of Marneus Calgar - the ability to pass or fail any morale test for the entire army is pretty strong, especially since if you choose to pass, you aren't considered fearless and don't have to take extra tests. That ability right there is what armies that are fearless wish they had instead Pedro Kantor is also nice in an army list that uses a lot of sternguards, especially if you can keep him close to the leading edge of your army so you benefit from his +1 attack special. Vulkanis nice for the TL meltas/flamers. The rest of the SM characters aren't really worth the points IMO. I don't see any really useful characters in the Tau codex either - stubborn for all units in LOS of Aun'va would be nice except you really don't want your fire warriors sticking around in combat. A close combat character? In a Tau list? Thanks, but i'll pass. If Shadowsun had different weapons options she might be appealing, but 12" weapons on your commander is a little too close to the enemy for my tastes in a Tau army.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but according to the FAQ you do.

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I do not play named character. They just have a bad taste for me and they are generally overpriced for what they can achieve.

I think that depends on the Army honestly. While I can certainly agree with some armies, others have great Named Characters! Blood Angels for example have an awesome array of named dudes along with DE. For their prices I think they can justify themselves in returns during a fight.

Tau - Erm... let's just pretend Tau don't have any SCs. Shadowsun sucks, Space Pope sucks, Farsight is sub-par seeing as a single battlecannon shot will STILL ruin your day (seeing as though bodyguard suits have to stick with Farsight, it makes them even more prone to blast templates, and it's doubtful that you'll have enough shield drones to take all the hits scored unless you went the whole hog and got all 7 of your suits shield drones (the whole unit at this point costs 625pts before necessary weapons/support systems), in which case, you probably won't have much else in your army).

Despite being a template magnet, it's also a VERY unwieldy unit. Ever tried to hide a squad of 8 models on terminator bases that are about as tall as the old metal Daemon Prince? Something tells me that wall in the middle of the board aint gunna cut it. It also creates LoS issues; unless you're content with conga-lining up the board, everything behind the unit is gunna have trouble unless they're on raised terrain.

"All your eggs in one basket" springs to mind here...

Chaos - Khârn and Abaddon.

Eldar - Pretty much just Eldrad and the Avatar.

SM:
Pedro
Vulkan
Khan

BA:
Mephiston
Dante
Astorath

SW:
Logan
Canis (maybe)
Possibly Bjorn
Njal

GK:
Coteaz
Draigo
Crowe (if you want all-purifiers)

DA:
Belial

BT:
Helbrecht(?)

Eldar:
Eldrad

DE:
Vect
Lelith

IG:
Marbo
Al'Rahem

Orks:
Snikrot
Ghazzy

CSM:
Kharne
Abaddon (as long as he doesn't stab himself)

Necrons:
Deciever
Nightbringer

Daemons:
None

SoB:
Nope

Tau:
Oh God no

Creed and Straken are brutal, if used in supporting lists built around them. Yarrick can also do work if supported well (cough Ogryns).

Abaddon is a beast, as is Kharn.

Vulkan rocks, as does Lysander and Shrike.

Other armies, I dont have enough experience with

i agree yarrick in a ogryn unit is mental!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

p-chan wrote:I am a fan of Marneus Calgar - the ability to pass or fail any morale test for the entire army is pretty strong, especially since if you choose to pass, you aren't considered fearless and don't have to take extra tests. That ability right there is what armies that are fearless wish they had instead Pedro Kantor is also nice in an army list that uses a lot of sternguards, especially if you can keep him close to the leading edge of your army so you benefit from his +1 attack special. Vulkanis nice for the TL meltas/flamers. The rest of the SM characters aren't really worth the points IMO. I don't see any really useful characters in the Tau codex either - stubborn for all units in LOS of Aun'va would be nice except you really don't want your fire warriors sticking around in combat. A close combat character? In a Tau list? Thanks, but i'll pass. If Shadowsun had different weapons options she might be appealing, but 12" weapons on your commander is a little too close to the enemy for my tastes in a Tau army.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but according to the FAQ you do.

Sorry to rain on your parade but according to http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1620227a_Space_Marines_Version_1_1.pdf you don't.

L. Wrex

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

p-chan wrote:I am a fan of Marneus Calgar - the ability to pass or fail any morale test for the entire army is pretty strong, especially since if you choose to pass, you aren't considered fearless and don't have to take extra tests. That ability right there is what armies that are fearless wish they had instead Pedro Kantor is also nice in an army list that uses a lot of sternguards, especially if you can keep him close to the leading edge of your army so you benefit from his +1 attack special. Vulkanis nice for the TL meltas/flamers. The rest of the SM characters aren't really worth the points IMO. I don't see any really useful characters in the Tau codex either - stubborn for all units in LOS of Aun'va would be nice except you really don't want your fire warriors sticking around in combat. A close combat character? In a Tau list? Thanks, but i'll pass. If Shadowsun had different weapons options she might be appealing, but 12" weapons on your commander is a little too close to the enemy for my tastes in a Tau army.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but according to the FAQ you do.

Sorry to rain on your parade but according to http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1620227a_Space_Marines_Version_1_1.pdf you don't.

L. Wrex

While your link is broken, I stand corrected. That's what I get for relying on an old FAQ. >.<

How about Chaplain Cassius? Toughness 6 Chaplain with FNP and relatively cheap for a SM HQ...sweet!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:While your link is broken, I stand corrected. That's what I get for relying on an old FAQ. >.<

It's working now. =) I've never yet gotten the hang of making links work properly...

L. Wrex

My vote goes to Helbrecht. The guy is just pure win for 175 points (Though, he takes another several hundred to really make himself good...)

Eldrad, also awesomesauce.

Surprised I am the first to mention it (unless I missed it) but Ragnar Blackmane.

I've always loved Grimaldus, and thought he was a lot better than that steaming pile of garbage Helbrecht.

I can't believe I forgot Eldrad... he's got a massive "annoy the piss out of you" factor.

Ok I just got back from a 40k deathmatch where it was a series of 1v1 matches that were divided into light, medium, and heavy weight. The end results in heavyweight were

1-draigo
2-Lysander (me)
3- Logan Grimnar
4- Marneus Calgar
5- Dante

I think people seriously underestimate Lysander. He is 200 points and hits like a truck and is sturdy as a rock. He is pretty reliable and him in a squad with bolters in cover is pretty much unshakeable. But that's just my opinion.

For his price, Sammael is also OK in certain situations. Against slower power armoured armies, he can drop multiple plasma templates on them and avoid giving them cover saves by finding firing lanes and flying above cover etc. He will probably die, but he can sometimes get his points back + he gives you the ability to use bikes. Him and Belial as a hero combo are pretty effective IMO

-VardenV2

i fielded mephiston against my roomie's chaos, and killed a land raider, five chaos termies, a chaos lord, a sorcerer, and five thousand sons in three turns. He still hasn't forgiven me.w


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also, stick ragnar in a squad of wolf guard termies and watch the arterial spray fly. ( I was on the receiving end of that. my @$$ still hurts.)

odorofdeath wrote:I've always loved Grimaldus, and thought he was a lot better than that steaming pile of garbage Helbrecht.

I can't believe I forgot Eldrad... he's got a massive "annoy the piss out of you" factor.

Helbrecht is good because the Sword of the High Marshals works even if he gets charged. When combined with his I5 and rerolls in CC you get a guy who will make MEQ units think twice about charging you. The combi-melta and the Ld 10 across the board on a durable guy is icing on the cake. I just wish he had EW...

Grimaldus is hilarious when he pops his relic to buff a charging Blob. 79 normal attacks with rerolls to hit plus any special weapons will whipe most enemies from the board.

Blood angels
Dante: Sanguinary guard as troops, as well as Not scattering makes for some great opportunities.
Mephiston: Crazy man kill stuff left and right.

Chaos Daemons
Fateweaver: 3++ re-rollable, everything within 6 re-roll saves as well, as well as having wings and shooting 3 gifts a turn. Beast.

Chaos Space marines
Abaddon: MASSIVE beatstick, Point him at stuff and he go chop it up. Great.
Kharn: Hits on 2+, strength 5, furious charge, power weapon, what's not to like?

Dark Eldar
Sliscus: Gives the whole army's vehicles a 5 point upgrade, except it's better, re-roll combat drugs, the unit he is with wounds on 3+ with shooting.
Sathonyx: Gives you +1 to go first, this is huge in the alpha strike army that is Dark eldar.

Eldar
Eldrad: Knows all the psy powers, as well as re-deploying and casting 3 per turn.

Grey Knights
Draigo: Another beatstick, and makes paladins troops.
Crowe: Purifiers troops, making one of the best units in the codex troops.
Coteaz: Henchmen troops, as well as having some crazy rules.

Imperial Guard
Marbo: 65 points, drops down with a DEMO CHARGE. Almost always makes his points back.

Necrons
Deciever: Amazing rules, massive in combat, Really good.

Orks
Ghazzy: Beatstick that can have a 2+ Invulnerable!
Mad doc: Crazy rules, for a crazy doc.

Vanilla Marines
Kantor: Sternguard scoring, all within 6" get +1 attack, beast.
lysander: Yet another beatstick, and a good one at that with army wide stubborn.
vulkan: 2+3++, Army wide MC hammers, TL flamers and melta weapons. crazy.

Templars: don't like any of them.

Dark angels:
Belial: Because of deathwing squads troops.

Space wolves
Logan: Rules, and wolf Guard troops.
Njal: crazy rules, and all the psy powers.

Tau empire
Farsight: But only if you build your army around him.

Tyranids
Swarmlord: Because he's beast.

Witch hunters
Celestine: because she doesn't barely die.