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Prove it. Show some quotes, let's track your line of reason.

SJ

You mean like when Jidmah quoted the rules and explained the reasoning?

Or like when I quoted the rules and explained my reasoning?

Sj

Jidmah specifically countered your explanation of what you understood from the rules you quoted.

So, yeah, he quoted rules and explained the reasoning behind why your thinking is incorrect.

Based on the odd way they have worded the Modrak rules I would not at all be surprised if some future FAQ said that he couldn't be joined by an IC. (It wouldn't be the first time an FAQ actually changed the rules.) But as the rules currently are, he can be.

To refute the arguments you need to abandon your "reverts to being a single model unit" track as no one is refuting this. Reverting to a single model unit is fundamentally different from always being a single model unit.

jeffersonian000 wrote:Prove it. Show some quotes, let's track your line of reason.

The relevant quote has already been provided numerous times. An IC is only forbidden from joining a unit if that unit always consists of a single model. Mordrak is not a unit that always consists of a single model.

While it obviously wasn't your intention, all of your arguments against it so far have also conclusively shown that Mordrak is not a unit that always consists of a single model. You keep presenting proof that he is not always a single model unit and claiming that it means that he is a single model unit. Which, needless to say, isn't really helping your argument.

Suit yourselves. In this the rules do support that Mordrak on his own may not be joined by an independent character. I believe your train of logic is flawed, because Mordrak's Ghostly Bodygaurd special rule bypasses the normal unit rules as presented in the BRB. If you remove the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, then Mordrak is a single-model unit. Per the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, Mordrak is a single-model unit once there are no Ghost Knights in active play. As such, Mordrak on his own is a single-model unit and may not be joined by an independent character; however, his unit of Ghost Knights may be joined by independent characters, as at no point are ghost Knights a single-model unit.

But to each his own. Good day.

SJ

jeffersonian000 wrote: If you remove the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, then Mordrak is a single-model unit.

And if you remove Mordrak, you don't have a unit at all.

You can't just ignore the parts of the rules that you don't want to apply. Sure, Mordrak is a single-model unit if he doesn't have his bodyguard. But he can have a bodyguard, and so is not always a single-model unit.

In the same fashion, if you take a single Carnifex you have a single-model unit. But you can take up to three Carnifexes in a single unit... so a Carnifex is not a unit that is always a single-model unit.

Per the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, Mordrak is a single-model unit once there are no Ghost Knights in active play.

Right. Meaning that he's not always a single-model unit.

That's the part that you're consistently overlooking. It's not being a single model unit that stops ICs from joining. It's not ever having any option to be other than a single model unit that prevents IC's from joining.

I alway consider Mordrak as some kind of Paladin. You can put a single Paladin on the table and no one argues that he can be joined by an IC. Mordrak is not really different from a game mechanics standpoint, imho.

jeffersonian000 wrote:Suit yourselves. In this the rules do support that Mordrak on his own may not be joined by an independent character.

You have yet to show this. As Insaniak has said, EVERY single post of yours has, n fact, confirmed the opposite.

jeffersonian000 wrote:I believe your train of logic is flawed, because Mordrak's Ghostly Bodygaurd special rule bypasses the normal unit rules as presented in the BRB.

Citation needed.

jeffersonian000 wrote:If you remove the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, then Mordrak is a single-model unit.

But he is not ALWAYS A SINGLE MODEL UNIT. STOP ignoring the word [/u]ALWAYS[/u] as this entirely undermnes your argument.

jeffersonian000 wrote:Per the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, Mordrak is a single-model unit once there are no Ghost Knights in active play. As such, Mordrak on his own is a single-model unit and may not be joined by an independent character

False conclusion; he is not *always* a single model unit. ALways. Always. Always. Stop ignoring the rules.

jeffersonian000 wrote:But to each his own. Good day.

SJ

Feel free to ignore the rules.

jeffersonian000 wrote:Suit yourselves. In this the rules do support that Mordrak on his own may not be joined by an independent character. I believe your train of logic is flawed, because Mordrak's Ghostly Bodygaurd special rule bypasses the normal unit rules as presented in the BRB. If you remove the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, then Mordrak is a single-model unit. Per the Ghostly Bodyguard rule, Mordrak is a single-model unit once there are no Ghost Knights in active play. As such, Mordrak on his own is a single-model unit and may not be joined by an independent character; however, his unit of Ghost Knights may be joined by independent characters, as at no point are ghost Knights a single-model unit.

But to each his own. Good day.

SJ

You're wrong, as simple as that. There is no rule preventing ICs from joining single model units.