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I can't believe that I forgot to mention the Ironclad Dreadnought.

If you're going to go after the Monolith with a Dread, might as well use one that's packing a Seismic Hammer!

Going to phase out is always want you want to do against Necrons, it's just not always practical. So if you *can* avoid the Monoliths and just pummel Warriors and whatever else, do so. But if you can't, and making sure you can't is one of the points of fielding Monoliths, Dreads are pretty resistant to gauss fire and large templates scatter off them easily. It's not trivial to kill one as Necrons even if all you want is a weapon destroyed.

But a Vindicator is a better bet, as the Necron player usually needs to move the Monoliths up the field and as such the Vindi has the first strike option.

What I suggest is hiding behind cover,out of line of sight,untill the Necrons themselves are close enough to rapid fire on.Use every weapon at your disposale to destroy them.Use Telion to pick out resurrection orbs.

Rapid fire bolters are not going to do the job on Necrons.

Sorry to have to break that to you.

Monster Rain wrote:Rapid fire bolters are not going to do the job on Necrons.

Sorry to have to break that to you.

Sternguard bolters can drop Crons. Ap3 means only WBB to save them(and only if there are Crons of the same type nearby)

First of all, a 10 man squad of sternguard isn't going to do enough wounds to drop a squad with Vengeance rounds. Secondly, unless the Necron player is a fool, they won't be advancing their warriors toward sternguard in the first place.

Saying to put the Warriors down with bolters is terrible advice, only slightly less so with Sternguard. With their two attacks base, if the Crons are that close they should assault them anyway.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, none of this has anything to do with the subject of the thread.

What I meant was that you would be using bolters against most things anyway,what else is there.And statistically speaking,yes bolters vs Crons suck,but this is 40K.Statistics mean squat.

Statistics are important in 40k. sure, the dice can hate you but there is a statistic for that.

Bolters don't do much against crons, but there isn't anything else to shoot with the bolters is there?

Nope.For all the fluff about how a bolter is the most deadly weapon in the Imperium,it is little better than Hellgun.

Grey Templar wrote:Statistics are important in 40k. sure, the dice can hate you but there is a statistic for that.

Bolters don't do much against crons, but there isn't anything else to shoot with the bolters is there?

If the opportunity presents itself, obviously, fire away.

It's not something to base your entire strategy around.

of course not, it isn't a statisticly sound plan.


but bolters are free on just about everything so you lose nothing.

we all know that bolters are the most reliable way to kill Terminators. force saves.

necrons just require twice as many shots to down as a 3+ save model, and if there arn't any necrons of the same type, or a tomb spyder, within 12" they don't even get WBB(Rez orb or not)

Grey Templar wrote:necrons just require twice as many shots to down as a 3+ save model, and if there arn't any necrons of the same type, or a tomb spyder, within 12" they don't even get WBB(Rez orb or not)

If your tactical advice requires your opponent to play terribly it might not be the best advice.

As a necron player, I can fairly say that you cant destroy monoliths well.
Nobody can, but as many have said, go for the warriors until he phases.
Alternatively, just let him win, we Cron players need the confidence boost

thanks guys for your suggestions; however I actually did end up playing crons in the second round of ard boyz and got completly massacred. 5 Assault termies got wiped by Scarabs(yeah thats how bad i was rolling xD) and nothing i tried worked lol, but not because of the tactics i used, just because i somehow angered the dice gods lol

Pour water over the dice and chant in Latin,then roll untill you get all 1s,then thank the gods for their services.Always works.

Monster Rain wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:necrons just require twice as many shots to down as a 3+ save model, and if there arn't any necrons of the same type, or a tomb spyder, within 12" they don't even get WBB(Rez orb or not)

If your tactical advice requires your opponent to play terribly it might not be the best advice.

Tomb spyders are hardly ever taken because they compete with Monoliths,

Destroyers quite often are out on the flanks and far from any support,

and Warriors are either being held in reserve or bunched up behind the monoliths(they still get WBB, but warriors arn't hard to kill)


this doesn't require the opponent to play horrible. Destroyers, the real threat in a cron list, are rarely near another Destroyer unit.

Grey Templar wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:necrons just require twice as many shots to down as a 3+ save model, and if there arn't any necrons of the same type, or a tomb spyder, within 12" they don't even get WBB(Rez orb or not)

If your tactical advice requires your opponent to play terribly it might not be the best advice.

Tomb spyders are hardly ever taken because they compete with Monoliths,

Destroyers quite often are out on the flanks and far from any support,

and Warriors are either being held in reserve or bunched up behind the monoliths(they still get WBB, but warriors arn't hard to kill)


this doesn't require the opponent to play horrible. Destroyers, the real threat in a cron list, are rarely near another Destroyer unit.

This isn't necessarily true, in many cases.

Everyone that I know of that plays Necrons well has at least one Tomb Spyder. Also, bolters are even less effective against Destroyers due to their Toughness 5. I'd also like to know where you get the idea that Destroyers are to be played on their own, far from support.

Well... generally people don't like taking Spidies. They cost a lot, compete with Monoliths and generally aren't so useful. Also bolters CAN BE effective Destroyers due to their large volume of fire. To be honest, ANYTHING goes down in a good hail of bolters. In my personal experiences, I've even took down Dreadnoughts and big Nids with a large volume of bolters. Also Destroyers sometimes tend to be away from the main Bot forces due to their speed. This is not always the case I would say but I've caught plenty of Destroyers by themselves before...

Going by the OP,he runs 3 monolithes,so that means no Syders.

Diesel Stradin wrote:Well... generally people don't like taking Spidies. They cost a lot, compete with Monoliths and generally aren't so useful.

Okay, but there are points limits to games, aren't there? If someone is taking 3 Monoliths at 1500 points they should probably have their head examined.


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Deadshot wrote:Going by the OP,he runs 3 monolithes,so that means no Syders.

Splendid!

That's probably why the subject of the thread is how to kill monoliths, not... whatever it is you seem to be talking about.

90% of all the Batreps, and games, I have seen Destroyers used has them zipping forward to get side and rear shots on vehicles or mow down infantry.

Destroyers are resiliant with their T5, meaning that its tougher to drop all of them and weapons like Missile launchers and lascannons don't deny WBB(from double toughness) which is why i think this happens.

but if they are all dropped, then down they stay.

@Monster Rain

Apparently this guy is..... 3 Monos at 1500 is certainly alot, especially with Phase Out but think about it twice. Imagine having three, massive.... things that doesn't die at the other side of the board. Sure, you can try to focus on those warriors but 3 Monos are going to catch your attention... ALOT and its potentially alot of Bots teleporting here and there at the same time.... sorry for being off-topic.

Grey Templar wrote:90% of all the Batreps, and games, I have seen Destroyers used has them zipping forward to get side and rear shots on vehicles or mow down infantry.

Yeah, I do this myself pretty regularly.

They go in groups of two, though, for WBB coverage. That's how it should be done, IMO. Two squadrons on one flank, 1 squadron within 12" of a Tomb Spyder on the other. Those Destroyers are going to be a right pain in the ass to get rid of completely.


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Diesel Stradin wrote:@Monster Rain

Apparently this guy is..... 3 Monos at 1500 is certainly alot, especially with Phase Out but think about it twice. Imagine having three, massive.... things that doesn't die at the other side of the board. Sure, you can try to focus on those warriors but 3 Monos are going to catch your attention... ALOT and its potentially alot of Bots teleporting here and there at the same time.

Once someone follows the advice given in this thread and uses a lot of Lascannons and Dreadnoughts to knock down a couple of those Monoliths though, the game is pretty much in the bag!

Monster Rain wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:90% of all the Batreps, and games, I have seen Destroyers used has them zipping forward to get side and rear shots on vehicles or mow down infantry.

Yeah, I do this myself pretty regularly.

They go in groups of two, though, for WBB coverage. That's how it should be done, IMO. Two squadrons on one flank, 1 squadron within 12" of a Tomb Spyder on the other. Those Destroyers are going to be a right pain in the ass to get rid of completely.

Ya know, even if you are near a Tomb Spyder, I just have to kill it first.

not exactly hard on a T6 model with 2 wounds and a 3+ save. 2 krak missiles and its gone.

Since we are playing theory hammer now, I'll put my tomb Spyder behind the monolith wall in 4+ cover, in 12 inch range to my destroyer squadron. Your move.

If you're shooting at the tomb Spyder instead of the Destroyers, he's being even more useful.

So you are telling me that your Destroyers are going to be in front of your Monolith wall, which your spyder is hiding behind, and the destroyers are both staying in range of the spyder and being effective.

Monoliths are 6" thick so that means all of the Destroyers are within 6" of the monoliths.

slightly implausable.

We all know that theory hammer only works to a certain degree....

Grey Templar wrote:So you are telling me that your Destroyers are going to be in front of your Monolith wall, which your spyder is hiding behind, and the destroyers are both staying in range of the spyder and being effective.

Monoliths are 6" thick so that means all of the Destroyers are within 6" of the monoliths.

slightly implausable.

Not really, no.

The Spyder is on a 2" base and the Monoliths block LOS, so the Destroyers could be up to 10" away from the Monolith.


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Diesel Stradin wrote:We all know that theory hammer only works to a certain degree....

That was the only point I was trying to make.

Some people just like to cling to something that's wrong and never let go.

Deadshot wrote:Nope.For all the fluff about how a bolter is the most deadly weapon in the Imperium,it is little better than Hellgun.

Hot shot lasgun or the old soon to be extinct Hellgun?
Cause I'd take 5+ to wound, no armor save, over 4+ to wound follow by 3+ armor all the time against MEQ.

BTW GT, what do I have to do to make you spell my name with a "Y"?

On the topic, going for phase out is totally preferable, I only killed a monolith (And the Ctan that came with it) cause I had nothing better to do with those 9 Lascannons that turn.
Just start shooting his warriors and Destroyers and whatever else he brought and they should be gone in no time.

How did you get 9 LCs?