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Deathshead420 wrote:Will we ever see any new info on them though is the question?

Almost certainly not.

Void__Dragon wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Ferrus Manus' head was taken by Fulgrim; the fate of his body is unrecorded.

It fashioned a new head made of Living Metal obviously.

Oddly, I can now half-recall something (possibly from their Index Astartes article) suggesting that it was rumoured that his body was recovered and taken to Mars. It wouldn't be beyond the realm of the possible that the Iron Hands and their Adeptus Mechanicus pals hoped to do something not dissimilar from your suggestion.

Blacksails wrote:Vulkan was never assumed to have died. In fact, he was present at the debates against the Codex (as you mentioned), and then chose to leave his legion after he hid all of his artefacts, which happened some time after the heresy ended. Vulkan is alive and well somewhere as there's nothing to the contrary. Salamander lore says that once all the artefacts are recovered, Vulkan will return.

Vulkan was, for a long time, presumed by the players to have died, there having been no mention of him post-Istvaan in the background prior to (if I recall) 4th edition.

English Assassin wrote:Oddly, I can now half-recall something (possibly from their Index Astartes article) suggesting that it was rumoured that his body was recovered and taken to Mars. It wouldn't be beyond the realm of the possible that the Iron Hands and their Adeptus Mechanicus pals hoped to do something not dissimilar from your suggestion.

Well, I doubt it would be Living Metal, since the Imperium has no idea how it works (Though allegedly his hands were made of Living Metal, implying that the beast he fought before the Emperor found him was a Necron construct, orsoiherd), but it would not surprise me if they would try "something" like that, though without his head, I don't know how any technology short of maybe Necron technology could bring him back.

Edit: Although, it is the body of a Primarch... Strap some kind of machine onto his head to control the body, use as a weapon? O:

Though that seems disrespectful treatment for a Primarch.

It's totally speculative, but it would be entirely appropriate for the Iron Hands to say "We can rebuild you!".

True, they are big on bonics.

jacetms87 wrote:Guilliman is in stasis.

And is rumored to be healing in said stasis, this would normally be impossible, but for a primarch maybe not.

Not a rumor, it is ture. Its just takeing a while.

Yes most of you guys are right

Khan and Vulkan are alive and lost somewhere.
Lion is somewhere inside his home world
Leamen Russ did promise to return for the final battle.

But we forgot about Fulgrim. He is alive (read the HH series)
he is trapped within his own bodie controlled by a Slaanesh daemon.
Before this happened he turned back loyal understanding his mistakes. I truly believe. That maybe in many many years. When they will make a new huge war such as the HH series, some one will fined a way to free Fulgrim, and he will join the loyalists.

Having read Fulgrim, IMHO he is quite beyond redemption.

The Imperium will not forgive him.

bob the heretic wrote:Lion is somewhere inside his home world

Which was destroyed. He is in what is left, it's called The Rock. Just making that clear.

bob the heretic wrote:But we forgot about Fulgrim. He is alive (read the HH series)
he is trapped within his own bodie controlled by a Slaanesh daemon.
Before this happened he turned back loyal understanding his mistakes. I truly believe. That maybe in many many years. When they will make a new huge war such as the HH series, some one will fined a way to free Fulgrim, and he will join the loyalists.

Being trapped inside himself, watching everything the deamon does. I'm pretty sure he will be quite insane! He may be super human, but still human -ish. No being of any intelect could withstand that. If he was given any opportunity, he would probably kill himself. IMO.

There is also a sticky ( is that the right word? ) at the top of this forum that tells you where all the Primarchs are.

Fulgrim was actually

Void__Dragon wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Oddly, I can now half-recall something (possibly from their Index Astartes article) suggesting that it was rumoured that his body was recovered and taken to Mars. It wouldn't be beyond the realm of the possible that the Iron Hands and their Adeptus Mechanicus pals hoped to do something not dissimilar from your suggestion.

Well, I doubt it would be Living Metal, since the Imperium has no idea how it works (Though allegedly his hands were made of Living Metal, implying that the beast he fought before the Emperor found him was a Necron construct, orsoiherd), but it would not surprise me if they would try "something" like that, though without his head, I don't know how any technology short of maybe Necron technology could bring him back.

Edit: Although, it is the body of a Primarch... Strap some kind of machine onto his head to control the body, use as a weapon? O:

Though that seems disrespectful treatment for a Primarch.

I can imagine this little scernario if this was true.

The headless body of a demi-god lay sprawled across the reinforced workbench, which was even then sagging under the enormous bulk of the corpse. The jet black armor of the corpse was interrupted only by shiny cybernetics or spurts of dried blood. His arms were a dull metal glinting in the dim light of the room. They were flawless, not a scratch or dent on them, as if they just came out of the forge. The most horrifying feature of the body was that it had no head. A clean cut. Even the neck vertebrae was seperated. Numerous life-supporting machines were hooked up to the primarch, but it was like giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a jellyfish; it wasn't doing any good. The team of techpriest were atending to the machine and the corpse's cybernetics when the Magos walked in.
"How long has this been here?," the Magos blurted out in the sacred language of binary code.
"2 days, 14 hours, 28 minutes, and 12 seconds standard Terran time," answered a techpriest, "May I inquire as to why this question was asked?"
The Magos looked towards him, "The corpse has not yet rotted. I have an ide as what we can do with it."
"What, pray-tell, do you plan to do with a corpse of a dead primarch?," inquired another techpreist.
"Not dead," admitted the last techpriest, ministering to a machine measruing the corpse's faint and fading heartbeat, "Not yet."
"Exactly," the Magos said, "Blessed Acloytes, I have a plan that may redifine the way those weak with the flesh think of death."
"What do plan to do?," the second techpirest asked again.
"Gentlemen," he began, "I plan to rebuild him. We have the technology. We may have the galaxy's first primarch that has died and lived agian." The Magos stared at the headless corpse.
"Ferrus Manus will be that primarch."

bob the heretic wrote:

jacetms87 wrote:Guilliman is in stasis.

And is rumored to be healing in said stasis, this would normally be impossible, but for a primarch maybe not.

Not a rumor, it is ture. Its just takeing a while.

Yes most of you guys are right

Khan and Vulkan are alive and lost somewhere.
Lion is somewhere inside his home world
Leamen Russ did promise to return for the final battle.

But we forgot about Fulgrim. He is alive (read the HH series)
he is trapped within his own bodie controlled by a Slaanesh daemon.
Before this happened he turned back loyal understanding his mistakes. I truly believe. That maybe in many many years. When they will make a new huge war such as the HH series, some one will fined a way to free Fulgrim, and he will join the loyalists.

Gulliman's healing inside stasis is just a "rumor" as there's nothing definitive about this even in the space marine codex and index astartes. If you do find something that difinitely says that Gulliman is indeed healing, please quote it with a page number.

TheLlion is not in Caliban. I don't know why so many dakkaites believe this. After the fight between Luther and Lion, only Luther was found in the rock mumbling to himself that the Lion will return to forgive him. Only Luther is locked up in the core of "The Rock" and only those of the inner circle even knows this.
Straight out of Codex: Dark Angels

terranarc wrote:TheLlion is not in Caliban. I don't know why so many dakkaites believe this. After the fight between Luther and Lion, only Luther was found in the rock mumbling to himself that the Lion will return to forgive him. Only Luther is locked up in the core of "The Rock" and only those of the inner circle even knows this.
Straight out of Codex: Dark Angels

Codex: Angels of Death, page 14, under the heading 'The Final Secret', last paragraph.

This is what happened to vulkan
''Around a thousand years after the Horus Heresy, Vulkan hid 9 artifacts around the galaxy for his Chapter to find, as a test to see if they were worthy of his leadership. He then disappeared, leaving his Chapter with the message that whenever the Forgefather of the Salamanders had found all nine items, Vulkan would return to lead his Chapter to victory over the enemies of the Imperium in its final days of greatest need, according to the signs foreseen in the Chapter's book of prophecy, the Tome of Fire. Of these nine relics, five have been recovered, three of which, the Spear of Vulkan, Kesare's Mantle and the Gauntlet of the Forge, are wielded by the Chapter's Forgefather, Vulkan He'stan. Two, the Chalice of Fire and the Eye of Vulkan, remain on Prometheus in the Chapter's fortress-monastery, while the last four artifacts, the Engine of Woes, the Obsidian Chariot, the Unbound Flame and the Song of Entropy, have yet to be discovered.''


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Also Corax is missing unfortunately...he'd make an awesome figure ;P

The lion is waiting for when he is needed?
is he under the impression everything is fine and dandy in the universe at this point in time?

Begel Dverl wrote:The headless body of a demi-god lay sprawled across the reinforced workbench, which was even then sagging under the enormous bulk of the corpse. The jet black armor of the corpse was interrupted only by shiny cybernetics or spurts of dried blood. His arms were a dull metal glinting in the dim light of the room. They were flawless, not a scratch or dent on them, as if they just came out of the forge. The most horrifying feature of the body was that it had no head. A clean cut. Even the neck vertebrae was seperated. Numerous life-supporting machines were hooked up to the primarch, but it was like giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a jellyfish; it wasn't doing any good. The team of techpriest were atending to the machine and the corpse's cybernetics when the Magos walked in.
"How long has this been here?," the Magos blurted out in the sacred language of binary code.
"2 days, 14 hours, 28 minutes, and 12 seconds standard Terran time," answered a techpriest, "May I inquire as to why this question was asked?"
The Magos looked towards him, "The corpse has not yet rotted. I have an ide as what we can do with it."
"What, pray-tell, do you plan to do with a corpse of a dead primarch?," inquired another techpreist.
"Not dead," admitted the last techpriest, ministering to a machine measruing the corpse's faint and fading heartbeat, "Not yet."
"Exactly," the Magos said, "Blessed Acloytes, I have a plan that may redifine the way those weak with the flesh think of death."
"What do plan to do?," the second techpirest asked again.
"Gentlemen," he began, "I plan to rebuild him. We have the technology. We may have the galaxy's first primarch that has died and lived agian." The Magos stared at the headless corpse.
"Ferrus Manus will be that primarch."

Win.

ToBeWilly wrote:

terranarc wrote:TheLlion is not in Caliban. I don't know why so many dakkaites believe this. After the fight between Luther and Lion, only Luther was found in the rock mumbling to himself that the Lion will return to forgive him. Only Luther is locked up in the core of "The Rock" and only those of the inner circle even knows this.
Straight out of Codex: Dark Angels

Codex: Angels of Death, page 14, under the heading 'The Final Secret', last paragraph.

Spoiler:

Buried even deeper within the Rock, is the final, greatest secret of the Chapter. Only one person in the entire universe knows the truth - the Emperor himself. For hidden inside a secluded, unreachable chamber at the heart of what was once the planet Caliban, Lion El'Jonson lies sleeping, waiting with the Watchers in the Dark for that time when he will be needed once again to defend the Imperium against its enemies.

I guess that's why so many Dakkanauts beleive it...

Alpharius wrote:

ToBeWilly wrote:

terranarc wrote:TheLlion is not in Caliban. I don't know why so many dakkaites believe this. After the fight between Luther and Lion, only Luther was found in the rock mumbling to himself that the Lion will return to forgive him. Only Luther is locked up in the core of "The Rock" and only those of the inner circle even knows this.
Straight out of Codex: Dark Angels

Codex: Angels of Death, page 14, under the heading 'The Final Secret', last paragraph.

Spoiler:

Buried even deeper within the Rock, is the final, greatest secret of the Chapter. Only one person in the entire universe knows the truth - the Emperor himself. For hidden inside a secluded, unreachable chamber at the heart of what was once the planet Caliban, Lion El'Jonson lies sleeping, waiting with the Watchers in the Dark for that time when he will be needed once again to defend the Imperium against its enemies.

I guess that's why so many Dakkanauts beleive it...

Reading the last paragraph of Page 9 of Codex Dark Angels

They were unable to extract anything coherent out of the shell of a man who had once been Jonson's closest friend and second-in-command; he just repeated over and over his prophecy: the Primarch had been carried away, but would one day return to forgive the terrible sins Luther and his brethern had committed. Of the mighty Primarch, Lion El'Jonson, there was no sign.

If Luther had been mumbling about the lion returning and forgiving everyone, how would it make sense that both of them are in the rock together? Or did you believe that Luther wasn't even in the rock?

Edit:
You can't be serious. You used this as reference?


Guys... guys guys.... guys. Wtf. When I said refer to dark angels codex, I was under the assumption that you were going to, you know, read from the ACTUAL dark angels codex :

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

jacetms87 wrote:Guilliman is in stasis.

And is rumored to be healing in said stasis, this would normally be impossible, but for a primarch maybe not.

Sanguinius isn't truly dead.

Yes, he is. Horus killed him so hard that his descendants still feel it.

I know, I can hope though.

He lives in our harts.

The story goes that after their battle, Luther went nuts and as he was weeping and ranting, the Watchers came and took the Lion. In some versions, Luther even says that the Watchers took him when he is discovered. So, the Watchers take the Lion to some secret chamber, then the planet breaks apart, and now the Dark Angels lock Luther in some other secret chamber, not knowing about the Lion. There is no conflict between that and what is in the current codex, and no reason to believe that older fluff was invalidated.

So, it doesnt matter that they are both in the Rock, because nobody other than the Emperor knows. The Dark Angels dont even believe Luther anyway, assuming he is just mad with guilt. In most cases, fluff is built upon, not erased and trampled over (sorry Grey Knights).

terranarc wrote:Reading the last paragraph of Page 9 of Codex Dark Angels

They were unable to extract anything coherent out of the shell of a man who had once been Jonson's closest friend and second-in-command; he just repeated over and over his prophecy: the Primarch had been carried away, but would one day return to forgive the terrible sins Luther and his brethern had committed. Of the mighty Primarch, Lion El'Jonson, there was no sign.

If Luther had been mumbling about the lion returning and forgiving everyone, how would it make sense that both of them are in the rock together? Or did you believe that Luther wasn't even in the rock?

Edit:
You can't be serious. You used this as reference?

Guys... guys guys.... guys. Wtf. When I said refer to dark angels codex, I was under the assumption that you were going to, you know, read from the ACTUAL dark angels codex :

Codex: Angels of Death is an ACTUAL Dark Angels codex. Its table top rules are just no longer valid. All the fluff stuff is good, unless retconed. Which isn't the case here. The storys in both codexes are identical. One just gives a little more information.

Space Wolf legend states that the group that came to be known as Thirteenth Company was sent by Leman Russ to pursue the Thousand Sons legion, after the failed attempt to eliminate the Chaos-supporting legion. They vanished from Imperial records, and their loss is honoured by a black stone in the Grand Annulus (the record of Space Wolf Great Companies).
Their reappearance at the beginning of Abaddon the Despoiler's Thirteenth Black Crusade has brought them back into the spotlight. They appear to still be in pursuit of the goal Leman Russ set for them, and it was believed that Leman Russ himself was their leader, although this was never proven.

Pretty sure el Johnson was cast into the warp when his planet exploded...

Botten3 wrote:Space Wolf legend states that the group that came to be known as Thirteenth Company was sent by Leman Russ to pursue the Thousand Sons legion, after the failed attempt to eliminate the Chaos-supporting legion. They vanished from Imperial records, and their loss is honoured by a black stone in the Grand Annulus (the record of Space Wolf Great Companies).
Their reappearance at the beginning of Abaddon the Despoiler's Thirteenth Black Crusade has brought them back into the spotlight. They appear to still be in pursuit of the goal Leman Russ set for them, and it was believed that Leman Russ himself was their leader, although this was never proven.

Now that is a really cool twist. Infact, I've got the eye of terror codex right here. Gonna look that up...
This is too awesome to miss.

Sounds like you guys are quoting the bible here with all these codex citations.
"And though holy thirteenth company descended from the heavens in their righteous crusade against all things unholy and thirteenth black crusadey.

40k is more realistic than the bible anyway.

terranarc wrote:40k is more realistic than the bible anyway.

I think Russ is dead.....

The current SW codex says on page 28:
"Listen but closely my brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our chapter is dying, even as I am now dying......."

sounds pretty much like a deathbed speech to me. lol

You forgot half of that quote though:

"Listen closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen for your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime."

Thats the very definition if a quote taken outof context.

Which quote is that Blackhoof?

The quote about Russ' deathbed speech is is the current SW Codex and there are 2 specific mentions in it of him dying.

I would guess that a primarch would have a pretty good idea that he had some kind of fatal condition, with all the medical resources of his chapter behind him, to make that speech.

I admit, he could have made the speech to his followers inside the Eye during the search for his lost marines, but it still seems pretty final to me.

So you guys are pretty on the ball with your fluff knowledge. So because I haven't heard a solid story or read one what exactly happened to Dorn, and although not a primarch also wondering what exacty happened to Sigismond, never heard any story on him.