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I play with 3 w/ 2 extra close combat arms. They make my opponent shoot at them not the Berzerkers rolling up to wipe them out. Anything they take out is icing on the cake.

I'm only playing 1250 pts atm and i was choosing to decide between oblits or the defiler.

I chose the defiler because it looked cooler..

Not one game has it managed to make its points back in terms of damage, but it does absorb a fair amount of shooting.

To be fair, I think the oblits would bebetter but he does look amazing!

Rarely will one defiler make it to turn 3. If you are going to use them, use at least 2 if not 3. They are best when combined with other AP3 or better weapons (or small blast) to wipe out rank and file infantry. Personally I field 3 and love wiping a unit or 2 a turn with them. Havoc launchers are a nice upgrade if your going to keep them in the back field. A favored tactic of mine is to keep all 3 in the backfield guarding my objective holder while blasting away troops from a far. Pretty much guaranteed to keep your objective that way and the rest of your army can drive forward to claim the rest of the board.

Just my 2 cents.

It also depends on what army you are fighting against, for instance when i use my foot slogging IG, the battle cannons are the bane of my existence, sometimes taking out 12+ infantry in one shot, but when I use my mech army, i am less scared because i have scatter and vehicle damage charts working for me. so i think alot of it is situational.

Defilers are quite good IMO. I just walk it up the field, while pounding on the enemy.