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Relapse wrote:Since the Empire State Building was lit up in yellow and red to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Communist take over of China, nothing in NYC surprises me.


No... oh no... a revolution that managed to kill more Chinese than WWII is not something to celebrate.

I hope they paid through the nose at least.

 
   
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Albatross wrote:All I'm going to say is...

Hurts doesn't it?

The rest of us have had to put up with an American invasion of our public spaces for years now. It would be nice if I could walk through my city without seeing countless advertisements for foreign cultural artefacts. It would be nice to restrict American businesses from entering the UK marketplace, and stop them elbowing out locals. That said, they buy the space fair and square. That freedom of exchange is important for our economy.

But hey, it's only protectionism when other countries do it, right?


The issue Biccat points out isn't commercial cultural artifacts (I loves me commercial cultural artifacts), but government ones. Chinese propaganda being spewed to people too stupid to realize what it is does worry me.
   
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sharkticon wrote: Chinese propaganda being spewed to people too stupid to realize what it is does worry me.


Is governmental propaganda any different from other forms of biased media?

   
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WarOne wrote:
sharkticon wrote: Chinese propaganda being spewed to people too stupid to realize what it is does worry me.


Is governmental propaganda any different from other forms of biased media?


In most senses, no, but it carries a different power to it. From an early age we are taught that governments are to be trusted, and that they are supposed to be helpful, and that we are supposed to trust them to help us. I can't help but feel in the back of my head that when we hear something that comes from a government (any) they are playing on that theory of trust, even if they are not your own government. This may sound like crazy talk, but to me BBC carries more weight than Fox news because it is backed by a reputable govenrment. Objectively, they are both in theory just as biased, and anything they say does warrant further research, but one just carries more trust in the back of my head. I don't like governments proven to be actively committing great evils playing on that trust.
   
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sharkticon wrote:
Albatross wrote:All I'm going to say is...

Hurts doesn't it?

The rest of us have had to put up with an American invasion of our public spaces for years now. It would be nice if I could walk through my city without seeing countless advertisements for foreign cultural artefacts. It would be nice to restrict American businesses from entering the UK marketplace, and stop them elbowing out locals. That said, they buy the space fair and square. That freedom of exchange is important for our economy.

But hey, it's only protectionism when other countries do it, right?


The issue Biccat points out isn't commercial cultural artifacts (I loves me commercial cultural artifacts), but government ones. Chinese propaganda being spewed to people too stupid to realize what it is does worry me.

The US propagandises other countries. Mexico, for example:

BBC wrote:US uses songs to deter immigrants

By Carlos Ceresole
BBC Mundo, Los Angeles



They are the new secret weapon of the US Border Patrol: toe-tapping ballads with Spanish lyrics that tell of the risks of trying to cross illegally into the US from Mexico.

The songs are on a CD that has been distributed free to dozens of radio stations in northern Mexico as part of a campaign called "No more crosses on the border" - a reference both to the illegal crossings and to those who have lost their lives in the attempt.

...

The US Border Patrol commissioned the CD from Elevacion, a Washington-based Hispanic advertising agency.

Elevacion's president Jimmy Learned told BBC Mundo that the songs had been well received by the public.

"People started to call the stations, to ask for the songs… interested in finding out who are the singers or the band. I even think that one of the songs was nominated for an award in Mexico," he said.

The fact that the migracorridos were commissioned by the US Border Patrol has not been publicised.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7879206.stm

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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Albatross wrote:
sharkticon wrote:
Albatross wrote:All I'm going to say is...

Hurts doesn't it?

The rest of us have had to put up with an American invasion of our public spaces for years now. It would be nice if I could walk through my city without seeing countless advertisements for foreign cultural artefacts. It would be nice to restrict American businesses from entering the UK marketplace, and stop them elbowing out locals. That said, they buy the space fair and square. That freedom of exchange is important for our economy.

But hey, it's only protectionism when other countries do it, right?


The issue Biccat points out isn't commercial cultural artifacts (I loves me commercial cultural artifacts), but government ones. Chinese propaganda being spewed to people too stupid to realize what it is does worry me.

The US propagandises other countries. Mexico, for example:

BBC wrote:US uses songs to deter immigrants

By Carlos Ceresole
BBC Mundo, Los Angeles



They are the new secret weapon of the US Border Patrol: toe-tapping ballads with Spanish lyrics that tell of the risks of trying to cross illegally into the US from Mexico.

The songs are on a CD that has been distributed free to dozens of radio stations in northern Mexico as part of a campaign called "No more crosses on the border" - a reference both to the illegal crossings and to those who have lost their lives in the attempt.

...

The US Border Patrol commissioned the CD from Elevacion, a Washington-based Hispanic advertising agency.

Elevacion's president Jimmy Learned told BBC Mundo that the songs had been well received by the public.

"People started to call the stations, to ask for the songs… interested in finding out who are the singers or the band. I even think that one of the songs was nominated for an award in Mexico," he said.

The fact that the migracorridos were commissioned by the US Border Patrol has not been publicised.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7879206.stm


Yeah I recall reading that. Funny.

The fact is, all governments play dirty. Its childish to kick up a fuss about others when we (US/UK) clearly take the piss as well frankly.

We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.  
   
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sebster wrote:Is this going to be another thread where biccat steadfastly resists learning how the BBC operates?

If you would care to explain how an organisation whose revenues are based on tax revenue backed up by the threat of government-sanctioned force is somehow NOT state-run, I would love to hear it.

As it is, you appear to be trolling.

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biccat wrote:If you would care to explain how an organisation whose revenues are based on tax revenue backed up by the threat of government-sanctioned force is somehow NOT state-run, I would love to hear it.

As it is, you appear to be trolling.


Because it has been explained to you many, many times, that while the BBC might derive it's revenue from a source that ultimately has government backing, this in no ways leads to government having any kind of editorial control over the station. There is absolutely no mechanism by which the government of the day can influence coverage, and this is well and truly proven by the coverage of politics the BBC provides daily.

Please just accept this, and move on.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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According to a Tory MP the Beeb is biased against the Conservative Party:
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2011/09/08/comment-biased-bbc-should-face-funding-questi

They were saying the same thing back in 1995:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/viewers-say-bbc-bias-favours-tories-1587638.html

I seem to recall The Blair complaining about bias against his government.

Since the governments of the day were bemoaning the BBC's impartiality and bias against them, it suggests that state control of the Beeb isn't working.
Unless it is some cunning scheme to throw people off the scent of what is really going on. *taps nose* Nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse guv'na!

 
   
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I suppose if you were to question the people who sold them the ad space as to why they did it… the conversation would go like this.

Why did you sell ad space to the commies?

Cause of this phat check b****!


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Y'know for months people were all spun up because a Muslim group wanted to open a community center a few blocks from the WTC. Utter and complete BS arguements were used for why Muslims can't practice their religion within X miles of Ground Zero.

But somehow the same fear mongers are silent about a Chinese propeganda jumbotron in Times Square.


There's a reason I don't post on here any more!


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sebster wrote:
biccat wrote:If you would care to explain how an organisation whose revenues are based on tax revenue backed up by the threat of government-sanctioned force is somehow NOT state-run, I would love to hear it.

As it is, you appear to be trolling.


Because it has been explained to you many, many times, that while the BBC might derive it's revenue from a source that ultimately has government backing, this in no ways leads to government having any kind of editorial control over the station. There is absolutely no mechanism by which the government of the day can influence coverage, and this is well and truly proven by the coverage of politics the BBC provides daily.

Please just accept this, and move on.


Give up. He won't.

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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Since the governments of the day were bemoaning the BBC's impartiality and bias against them, it suggests that state control of the Beeb isn't working.
Unless it is some cunning scheme to throw people off the scent of what is really going on. *taps nose* Nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse guv'na!


Just because the BBC is unbiased doesn't mean it's not a state-controlled media company.

Private companies work according to private incentives - give people what they want and you get more advertisers. Get more advertisers and you get more money.

Public companies work according to public incentives - which ultimately boils down to politics. This may not be Tory-Labour politics, but it's based on the political views of the head of the BBC.

For those who don't think the BBC is a state-run company, what is it? It sure as hell isn't private.

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The License fee is not a tax, you don't have to pay it. That just means you don't get TV. It is not collected by the government nor does the government have a say in programming. It's pretty much the same as an american public broadcast station like pbs or npr.

It is a corporation whose only governement influence is the royal charter which tells them to "inform, educate and entertain"

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ShumaGorath wrote:Give up. He won't.


I know. Yet I'm posting anyway. I don't know why.


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biccat wrote:
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Since the governments of the day were bemoaning the BBC's impartiality and bias against them, it suggests that state control of the Beeb isn't working.
Unless it is some cunning scheme to throw people off the scent of what is really going on. *taps nose* Nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse guv'na!


Just because the BBC is unbiased doesn't mean it's not a state-controlled media company.

Private companies work according to private incentives - give people what they want and you get more advertisers. Get more advertisers and you get more money.

Public companies work according to public incentives - which ultimately boils down to politics. This may not be Tory-Labour politics, but it's based on the political views of the head of the BBC.

For those who don't think the BBC is a state-run company, what is it? It sure as hell isn't private.


What is this you're doing? Have you just completely given up on entertaining the concept of debate?

I explained to you in my previous post that while the BBC is basically funded by government mandate, the structure of the BBC is such that the government of the day is entirely incapable of influencing the content they broadcast. You ignored that post, and went back to your talking point on 'the BBC is state owned therefore we can imply it's a propaganda tool (while actually failing to show how government might control their content or provide a single instance of the BBC providing coverage that made the government of the day look good)'.

Once again, you're not being honest in your debate.

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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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sebster wrote:I explained to you in my previous post that while the BBC is basically funded by government mandate, the structure of the BBC is such that the government of the day is entirely incapable of influencing the content they broadcast. You ignored that post, and went back to your talking point on 'the BBC is state owned therefore we can imply it's a propaganda tool (while actually failing to show how government might control their content or provide a single instance of the BBC providing coverage that made the government of the day look good)'.


First, I hope you don't mind, I cut out the personal insults. I'm pretty sure it doesn't advance the discussion, but that's an issue for the MODs.

Second, simply because you "explained" how the BBC works doesn't make it the end-all of the conversation. Believe it or not, your explanation of a point does not end debate.

Third, I only open your posts when I think you have something important to add to the conversation. I only respond when there is some advantage to doing so, such as correcting some misinformation contained therein (like now). So please don't get upset that I have you on ignore and only rarely read your posts. But it would be nice if I could have you un-ignored outside of OT, because I do enjoy your posts in the WHFB forums, and sometimes I miss them.

Fourth, as I've repeatedly pointed out: the BBC is funded by taxes (or fees if you're going to be specific, but it's still a government-imposed and mandated payment obligation) that makes it a government-run organisation. No one seems interested in explaining how a taxpayer-funded organisation (yes, even PBS) is not a state-run organisation.

Fifth, I've also noted that the BBC doesn't have to be biased to be state-run. However, in the United States they are clearly used as a propaganda tool (not maliciously, just promoting UK culture and interests, like bad science-fiction and funny accents).

And finally, as for how the BBC is government controlled: the BBC Trust is made up of directors appointed by government agents (the Queen in Council); the television license fee is set and maintained by Parliament; and the BBC operates under a charter that must be renewed (with some degree of government discretion) every 10 years.

The BBC is one of the few state-run media groups that works reasonably well and functions as a relatively unbiased and independent organisation (PBS is another, although not on the bias front, that appears to be an inherent problem in journalism). But that doesn't make it any less of a state-run media outlet.

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Biccat, what do you think is more reliable and unbiased: Fox News or the BBC?

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nectarprime wrote:Biccat, what do you think is more reliable and unbiased: Fox News or the BBC?

I'd be happy to answer your question if you can point out how this is at all relevant to the thread.

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The BBC is specifically not state run. It has no involvement whatsoever with the government outside how much they're allowed to charge each year.

The government do not fund the BBC at all other than by concessions for the elderly (over 75) in much the same way as they get additional money for the winter fuel allowance. (You wouldn’t call utility companies state run for that would you?)

In the UK you pay a Television Licence if you own a TV which has a tuner capable of receiving BBC broadcasts (and possibly a computer with an internet connection but that’s a debate for another day.)

The TVL is a company that collects the licence fee on behalf of the BBC. If you’re found to have been receiving a signal and failed to pay for a licence you would be charged but it would be no different to being charged by BskyB for doing the same thing.

I’ll admit that the BBC is an oddball because there is nothing it the world like it as far as I know.

But it is a fully independent organisation with no responsibility to anyone other than its audience and various watchdog organisations. There is no way the government can influence it other than forcing it to lower its licencing fees.

The crux of the matter is you seem to be alleging that the BBC is a tool of the British government to further its interests in the US.

I should also point out that the queen in council is not part of the government it may advise the government but they stand apart. Also the government is pretty generic term that covers all manner of sins. I should really say parliament.

I take exception to that.

There is probably no other news and content provider in the world that can give such impartial news than the BBC. No other organisation reaches as many people while having so much independence, its closest competition are private companies with their own interests to serve.

I think it’s good to have news from other countries, you’re right to be wary of where your news comes from but you shouldn’t arbitrarily oppose the news just as its not from your own country, it comes across as somewhat xenophobic.

I know I’ve said a lot about the BBC and maybe I’m biased in my own way but I feel it’s a good thing it does for the world and it’s something I’m proud our country has produced.

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To quote the late great Bill Hicks:
"Go back to sleep America, your Government is in control"

Really, Chinese State News being advertised in a state of America that has a large ChinaTown district? What were they thinking?!

And to the guy that said 'China are not a threat', really? Think long and hard about this and it may just come to light that China is rapidly expanding, compared to say the US and European economies. Chinese State TV advertising on American soil would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. But now I'm afraid it's just a sign 'o the times.....



 
   
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Biccat for the last time, the UK government does not mandate the payment nor collect the license fee.

It is equivalent to the east india company, it is a corporation that is given a royal charter which makes it a representative of the crown.

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One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:
To quote the late great Bill Hicks:
"Go back to sleep America, your Government is in control"

Really, Chinese State News being advertised in a state of America that has a large ChinaTown district? What were they thinking?!

And to the guy that said 'China are not a threat', really? Think long and hard about this and it may just come to light that China is rapidly expanding, compared to say the US and European economies. Chinese State TV advertising on American soil would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. But now I'm afraid it's just a sign 'o the times.....



China is not and has never been a threat to the US. Their economy is over hyped, significant portions of the populace still live in third world conditions, and their military is decades behind America's.

Let me put it this way. America has the largest, best trained, and most technologically advanced Air Force in the world by a wide margin. As far as training and technology go, only Israel and certain European countries can compete. There are only 22 active aircraft carriers in the world and 11 of them are American. Oh, and all of America's carriers are 90,000+ tonnage supercarriers that easily outclass any other active carrier. The USN is easily superior to any other naval force in the world. The only armies on par (if there even are any on par) with the US Army and USMC would be from Israel or Europe.

All China has are numbers. Numbers that didn't protect them in WW2 and if it somehow came to an armed conflict would not protect them now. A lot of non Americans like to claim that the USA is a bully, but fail to realize that a large portion of Americans if not the majority are vehemently opposed to war. American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have their hands tied courtesy of political correctness. Thankfully, we are actually not a land of bloodthirsty killers.

Yes, right now America's economy is floundering. It's still better than China's. I would be considerably more concerned about the EU becoming a true global power than China suddenly toppling America.

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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356



 
   
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Amaya wrote: I would be considerably more concerned about the EU becoming a true global power than China suddenly toppling America.


A better point I think is that America and China are heavily reliant on the other. The EU right now is tackling their own financial problems just like America is. China doesn't have to worry for the time being because America relies on China to make their goods for them.

   
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I'd rather rant about how much of a joke China's military is though...

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biccat wrote:First, I hope you don't mind, I cut out the personal insults. I'm pretty sure it doesn't advance the discussion, but that's an issue for the MODs.


They're not personal attacks when they describe what is happening.

Second, simply because you "explained" how the BBC works doesn't make it the end-all of the conversation. Believe it or not, your explanation of a point does not end debate.


It does when there is no counter point that reject the argument or demonstrate how it does not apply. That we've had this conversation many times before, and you've never offered up a counter point leads to the very sensible conclusion that there isn't one.

Third, I only open your posts when I think you have something important to add to the conversation. I only respond when there is some advantage to doing so, such as correcting some misinformation contained therein (like now).


But all this produces is a non-discussion, where you make a claim, and if I consider it mistaken or based on faulty logic I explain why, and when you perceive you have a comeback you make it, otherwise you just ignore it and continue to believe whatever mistaken idea you had in the first place.

The end result is that your political ideas just aren't getting any better.

Fourth, as I've repeatedly pointed out: the BBC is funded by taxes (or fees if you're going to be specific, but it's still a government-imposed and mandated payment obligation) that makes it a government-run organisation.


If you read my post carefully, you'll see I wasn't disagreeing with that in any real way. Here in Australia we have a government broadcaster that's directly state funded.

The point is that if you set up the board of governance properly, then even though there is government funding it doesn't allow for any influence over the content provided, and that's what really matters.

Fifth, I've also noted that the BBC doesn't have to be biased to be state-run. However, in the United States they are clearly used as a propaganda tool (not maliciously, just promoting UK culture and interests, like bad science-fiction and funny accents).


That's a very odd complaint. Here in Australia, probably about a half of our content is imported TV, and most of that imported from the US. Do you think that should represent insufferable US propagandising?

And finally, as for how the BBC is government controlled: the BBC Trust is made up of directors appointed by government agents (the Queen in Council); the television license fee is set and maintained by Parliament; and the BBC operates under a charter that must be renewed (with some degree of government discretion) every 10 years.


But this doesn't actually end up producing content that actually favours the government of the day, and that's what matters.

The BBC is one of the few state-run media groups that works reasonably well and functions as a relatively unbiased and independent organisation (PBS is another, although not on the bias front, that appears to be an inherent problem in journalism). But that doesn't make it any less of a state-run media outlet.


But what does 'state-run' matter if it doesn't result in a bias towards the state?

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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Ummm, ok Amaya......but I wasn't talking about military strength, I was talking about Economic strength. Go look at just about anything in your house. In fact go look at all of it.


Done? Good. Now then can you please tell me how many things you looked at bore the Legend 'Made in America'?
Not many is it? 'Made in China' however, that's a different story. But dont feel bad chap, it's the same in the EU....


 
   
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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Ummm, ok Amaya......but I wasn't talking about military strength, I was talking about Economic strength. Go look at just about anything in your house. In fact go look at all of it.


Done? Good. Now then can you please tell me how many things you looked at bore the Legend 'Made in America'?
Not many is it? 'Made in China' however, that's a different story. But dont feel bad chap, it's the same in the EU....


I'm gonna let you in an a litle secret that not many people know, we make more things then china.

We have 19% of the global industrial market were china has 15.6%

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One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Ummm, ok Amaya......but I wasn't talking about military strength, I was talking about Economic strength. Go look at just about anything in your house. In fact go look at all of it.


Done? Good. Now then can you please tell me how many things you looked at bore the Legend 'Made in America'?
Not many is it? 'Made in China' however, that's a different story. But dont feel bad chap, it's the same in the EU....


Thing is, the actual proper money is in making things like airplanes and anti-biotics. It may look like a lot because your plastic plates are made in China, but that stuff is tat that can't sustain a decent, first world wage. You don't want to be manufacturing that stuff.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Fixture of Dakka




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Nope, that's why we make stuff like, oh, I don't know... Airplanes and anti-biotics?

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
 
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