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Grey Templar wrote:

Mahtamori wrote:Not necessarily true. Having opposable thumbs isn't sufficient to use human equipment, for example. Imagine a race whose hand, quite simply, had the thumb and index finger trade places. This alien would be able to operate a Glock, but "wouldn't be a problem" is perhaps a bit of an exaggeration.
The Eldar weapons are triggered by an Eldar mind's thought pattern, after all, and if it's a human mind he needs to consciously bend his mind to the task where there would be no effort involved for an Eldar.

And yet it has been done in the fluff by Inquisitors who had occasion to use Xeno equipment on multiple occasions.

I suppose that it all comes down to what the author feels like on these things, really. I mean, most Eldar aren't practising psychers, so it doesn't make sense that psychic impulse is the trigger. In either case, I might've read too much Neal Asher or Alastair Reynolds where real physics play a larger part

In the current edition of 40k background? No.

Back in Rogue Trader days, one shuriken catapult was potent enough to do this to an entire squad of Marines in one shot. In 2nd edition, it took a few more shuriken catapults, but they still did this kind of damage.

Then the fluff-pocalypse happened and Eldar stopped existing entirely being replaced by something new and entirely different.

Mahtamori wrote: I mean, most Eldar aren't practising psychers, so it doesn't make sense that psychic impulse is the trigger.

Well, all Eldar have the potetial to use psychic powers, only the trained would ever do such a thing scince they dont want slaanesh devouring thiere souls. However mind impulses barley requiers any contact whith the warp, and therefor it is practicly safe to use them (whith basic training and disipline).

The space marine probably didn't day enough "Our Primarchs" before the battle.

Consider that a Bolt Gun, Bolt Pistol, and Storm Bolters fire self propelled armour piercing mass reactive explosive missiles called bolts. These detonate a split second after penetrating a target, blasting it apart from within.

Consider that there are plenty of pictures of traitor marines firing on loyalist marines with bolters and bolt pistols and causing that kind of damage.

Consider that the stats of the Bolt Pistol, Bolt Gun, and Storm Bolter are the exact same as a Shuriken Pistol, and a Shuriken Catapult as far as Strength of the weapon and the Armor Piercing value.

Shuriken weaponry is just as strong as Bolt Gun weaponry so yeah, I would say it could do that.

And I would say that the marine just failed his armour save.

according to me those wounds seems to be caused by a cutting thing like a sword.

Coulden't it been the Banshee in the background that have sliced the space marine to pieces with her powersword?

Searth wrote:according to me those wounds seems to be caused by a cutting thing like a sword.

Coulden't it been the Banshee in the background that have sliced the space marine to pieces with her powersword?

That's another Striking Scorpion in the back.

Searth wrote:according to me those wounds seems to be caused by a cutting thing like a sword.

Coulden't it been the Banshee in the background that have sliced the space marine to pieces with her powersword?

Cutting things? Monomolecular shurikens being burst-fired from a gun wouldnt cause a cutting wound?

Grey Templar wrote:If you get hit by something on your elbow or knee it will probably rip your arm/leg off(at least in the practical sense) because the only stuff thats there is Tendons and a bone joint. Its a little tougher then other flesh, but that hardly makes up for having less mass.

There's also the possibility of bone shrapnel if you shatter the bone.


As far as OP goes: Shurikens are monomolecular, psychoplastic discs fired at a high speed. Whewther they have angular velocity as well as the linear velocity, I don't know. Given their light mass and gravitic acceleratrs I expect you could get railgun-like velocities from Shuriken (indeed you probably need high velocity to offfset the shape and the weight of the ammo - there's like thousands of shuriken rounds to a single block of ammo for them.) We know they can penetrate armor (depending on parameters) and they can easily poke holes in people and bleed them out. If its a hypervelocity impact its possible the round might cause explosive damage (like an asteroid impact). The shuriken might tumble or fragment in the wound (making it larger - it has LOTS of velocity to bleed off.)

There's also the fact shuriken weapons have an insane rate of fire.. dozens if not hundreds of shots a second if I remember the codexes or other data. Best RL analogue would be the American-180, which can be seen here in action. Pretty nasty, and if you treated each "shot" in the picture as a burst of shuriken rounds with a wide spread, its quite possible it could shred through. Shuriken rounds CAN penetrate Astartes armor in the fluff, its just not a guaranteed thing (you might need some very high end ammo to do it.)

My guess is at the very least, if its loosing alot of shots off at the target, it could start severing limbs and such.





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Randomonioum wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

nomotog wrote:
They can rip off a guardsman's arm. Actually most weapons can rip off a guardsman's arm that's kind of the level of violence that 40k is. Even the lasgun can tear off arms. (Last I checked anyway.)

True, but that is Lasgun on "High" setting. And Guardsman rarely use those.

Lasguns gonna flash boil the water in the flesh. Thats probably gonna tear an arm off, whatever setting.

It depends entirely on how they use it. A narrow, fast pulse of laser energy will explode and could, if powreful enough tear an arm off. Or a burst of fire rakeda long the limb could tear it off.

Hell I'm pretty sure even modern ammo could, in the right circumstances, tear limbs off. Consider ballistic gelatin wound profiles here In paritcular this 5.56 NATO and the .308 Winchester The bullets can tumble (and in the images, fragement) pretty nastily, and they can make large wounds in the target. Heck its quite likely you could blow the head off with the .308 (and ancedotal stories I've heard from military types elsewhere have said likewise.) Hell look at the shotugn profiles they can easily put a fist-sized wound in a target too. Or the Glazer slug.

There's one crazy, high velocity ammo called the "varmit grenade" which can blow thins apart as well - pretty crazy (and gruesome when you consider its intended effects) Youtube has a lot of vids of this kind of thing to give an idea of what modern firearms can do in the right cases. It just goes to show that "it depends."

For the sake of argument, if we took the "typical autogun" to be like the Autogun stated in the Imperial Armour Siege of Vraks line... a lasgun would fire a shot comparable in effect to a high powered round (which could mean it puts a hole several cm through the target up to blowing the head apart, depending on the kind of full power ammo. I don't know offhand if 7.62x51MM nato fragments though.) I'm a bit leery of this though because that autogun was more along the lines of an M-14 in calibre and performance, and that isn't exactly an assault rifle.

A 950. JDJ Rifle could tear of limbs... Not very practical though.

I don't think striking scorpions can do that, but I'm sure that is what banshees and reapers are supposed to do against marines.

Well I've seen images from military folk about the effects of .50 cals on living people. It's not pretty to say the least (eg people not haivng heads, or at least fully intact heads.) I probably have some of the pics floating somewhere on my HD too.

Well I've seen images from military folk about the effects of .50 cals on living people. It's not pretty to say the least (eg people not haivng heads, or at least fully intact heads.) I probably have some of the pics floating somewhere on my HD too.

Why would you have pics like that on your hd?

Probably because having terabytes worth fo space and not throwing stuff ou tunless I need to, and because it sometimes came useful for debates (like what kind of damage high end firearms can do)