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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 16:02:08
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Scuttling Genestealer
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imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:I'd say its both actually. The TO for not knowing the rules/making them up as he goes and the player for taking advantage of the rule that he and the TO made up together. It sounds like the player knew exactly what he was doing and influenced the TO into making a decision to his benefit.
Yet another poster jumping to conclusions.
And of course, you have evidence of this? No? I didn't think so.
OP asked our opinions, I gave mine. No need to be a dick about it.
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2012 Record to date
5k hive fleet kraken W: 13 D: 0 L: 2
7k Iron Falcons W:7 D: 0 L1
4.5k Grey Knights W: 3 D: 0 L: 0
3.5k Orks W: 0 D: 0 L: 0
3k W: 0 D: 0 L: 0 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 16:47:54
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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bazookatooth wrote:OP asked our opinions, I gave mine. No need to be a dick about it.
Except at no point did he ever mention or think that the player was in collusion with the TO on this.
You added this yourself. I wonder who is being dickish?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 17:10:24
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Zealous Shaolin
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I think my original query is being lost in the general discussion. Also please stay away from witch hunts about who is to blame. That was not the point of the post.
My specific question was would you in my Opponents position tell the other player that the game would not be played using the FAQ rules and would you explain the TO's “house rule” only you knew about?
To answer some points raised:
Only my army and his had skimmers in the Tournament.
I know the skimmer rules well after investing in an Elysian IA Army so I played the FAQ rules.
My Opponent knew the correct FAQ Rules but had this question come up at a friendly game and so e-mailed the TO.
My Opponent wouldn't budge on the outcome of the passenger results.
It was the third match so I did not push the complaint as it may have affected KP's in the initial two matches for other Players.
It probably got to me more than it should as it was the only defeat in four consecutive Tournaments there. As it was the rest of the Tournament was fun and and the Winner was a very good and friendly player.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 17:15:05
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Fair play yes,
sneaky and slightly underhanded, yes
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 17:32:09
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Scuttling Genestealer
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imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:OP asked our opinions, I gave mine. No need to be a dick about it.
Except at no point did he ever mention or think that the player was in collusion with the TO on this.
You added this yourself. I wonder who is being dickish?
hahaha, apparently all you buddy. I used phrases like "sounds like" because we have no way of knowing what the TO and opponent were thinking. My opinions were theoretical not fact. No need to chastise me for disagreeing with you based on the very limited amount of information given.
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"My specific question was would you in my Opponents position tell the other player that the game would not be played using the FAQ rules and would you explain the TO's “house rule” only you knew about? "
Yes i would absolutely have told you if i was going to play by rules that were made up by someone other than the creators of the game. This call should have been made public before the tournament began.
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2012 Record to date
5k hive fleet kraken W: 13 D: 0 L: 2
7k Iron Falcons W:7 D: 0 L1
4.5k Grey Knights W: 3 D: 0 L: 0
3.5k Orks W: 0 D: 0 L: 0
3k W: 0 D: 0 L: 0 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 17:40:38
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Play may have come from a group or thought that TURN meant game turn not player turn, He asked the TO for a clarification. He may not have been malicious.
TO also thought the FAQ may have legitimately meant game turn. He has no need to release a custom ruling because he may have thought his ruling was clearly supported by the FAQ. It is not a custom rule if you think that is what the FAQ says.
The issue is, someone should have been able to defend themselves by showing the default definition of 'turn' and how it did not mean game turn, just player turn.
In regards to clarifications of FAQs... People SHOULD clarify ambiguous rules with TOs. Players have no obligation to tell players "Oh BTW, I plan to deffroll your Landraider and this TO says it is a special type of tank shock, so don't get to close."
Your best defense, know the rules and be able to point to the answer. All you would have had to do is show player turn and it would then have shown the FAQ doesn't work once your turn is over.
(personally I try to preemptively clarify ambiguous rules that interact with my army or ones I plan to use, it may put me at a disadvantage but I would rather have a cleaner game. I would NOT claim my opponent as a poor sport if he didn't tip his hand to what he was planning to do, but I would probably be able to identify what he was going to do fast enough to bring it up.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 17:50:52
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
Fredericton, NB
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The FAQ in question is the one that clarifies that it is player turn. So that is out.
As to the question at hand.
If I were your opponent would I tell you.
Scenario A:
I think the TO told everyone.
No I would not tell you, as you had been informed.
Scenario B:
I know you do not know.
I would tell you
1. Its the right thing to do as a sportsman, as it affects both of you...drastically
2. I always clarify stuff with the other player before the game. Even down to reiterating that all my raiders have FF...to a dude I play against more than once a week.
I still maintain that the is the possibility your opponent mistakenly thought you knew about the ruling...but any course other than that is unacceptable to me. Automatically Appended Next Post: As I have said multiple times throughout. Any deviation from the printed rules (especially at a tournament) needs to be clarified in advance so that all parties can make equal use of it. There is a difference between me loosing a game because i totally forgot about sections of the printed rules, and me loosing a game because the other player had knowledge of rules that I had no access to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 19:53:31
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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bazookatooth wrote:imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:OP asked our opinions, I gave mine. No need to be a dick about it.
Except at no point did he ever mention or think that the player was in collusion with the TO on this.
You added this yourself. I wonder who is being dickish?
hahaha, apparently all you buddy. I used phrases like "sounds like" because we have no way of knowing what the TO and opponent were thinking. My opinions were theoretical not fact. No need to chastise me for disagreeing with you based on the very limited amount of information given.
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"My specific question was would you in my Opponents position tell the other player that the game would not be played using the FAQ rules and would you explain the TO's “house rule” only you knew about? "
Yes i would absolutely have told you if i was going to play by rules that were made up by someone other than the creators of the game. This call should have been made public before the tournament began.
Nice for you to change your mind after being called out on it. And for now sticking to facts instead of making your own baseless assertions.
Bully!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 20:08:31
Subject: Re:Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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TO's bad, not your opponent. We had the same issue at 'Ard boyz. TO decided he was going to use Init FAQ in addition to the BRB and GW FAQ's. Issue is there are a couple iffy calls in the Init FAQ such as Lash counting as a shooting attack. Couple people didn't know the ruling before hand, but it was made publicly aware weeks ahead of the tournament date. This is why FAQ's are handy. They might not be 100% accurate but they at least put everyone on the same page.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 20:44:59
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Scuttling Genestealer
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imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:OP asked our opinions, I gave mine. No need to be a dick about it.
Except at no point did he ever mention or think that the player was in collusion with the TO on this.
You added this yourself. I wonder who is being dickish?
hahaha, apparently all you buddy. I used phrases like "sounds like" because we have no way of knowing what the TO and opponent were thinking. My opinions were theoretical not fact. No need to chastise me for disagreeing with you based on the very limited amount of information given.
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"My specific question was would you in my Opponents position tell the other player that the game would not be played using the FAQ rules and would you explain the TO's “house rule” only you knew about? "
Yes i would absolutely have told you if i was going to play by rules that were made up by someone other than the creators of the game. This call should have been made public before the tournament began.
Nice for you to change your mind after being called out on it. And for now sticking to facts instead of making your own baseless assertions.
Bully!
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. My position has never changed. And I was done with our conversation hours ago. Bully? I don't know where you get that from but I assure you I am not. Maybe you misread my posts, I will give you that benefit of the doubt... now as I said, I am done with you.
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2012 Record to date
5k hive fleet kraken W: 13 D: 0 L: 2
7k Iron Falcons W:7 D: 0 L1
4.5k Grey Knights W: 3 D: 0 L: 0
3.5k Orks W: 0 D: 0 L: 0
3k W: 0 D: 0 L: 0 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 20:50:48
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I don't think TOs should ever respond individually to rules e-mails. If someone e-mails you with a rules question, you should put your answer to their question on your tournament website, and reply with a link to the response on your website. Then, any player can look at the tournament website and know exactly what all of the other players know about how the TO will handle disputed rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 21:41:51
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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KilroyKiljoy wrote:Phiasco II wrote:Wow, I don't know if I'd be more pissed at the player or the TO. I may have dropped the tourny right then and there.
That's when you flip the table, smash the other guy's toys, and walk out over a board game. I honestly wouldn't blame you if you had wrecked that kid in the face with a sucker punch.
Would it be a bit over the top to take a piss on the pile of broken table and models before storming off?
imweasel wrote:I am more curious on why a player, who is apparently adept at the rules, would 'email' the TO about a question such as this.
However, if all things are equal, I have no problem with the player emailing about rules questions in advance.
My experience in playing tournaments outside my own main gaming store has proven again and again...
Forewarned is forearmed.
He was better prepared. You weren't. Not meant to be offensive.
imweasel wrote:juraigamer wrote:Your TO doesn't even know the rules.
And this surprises you? Hell, you can even know the rules very well and you still have to adjudicate some of the rules arbitrarily.
imweasel wrote:juraigamer wrote:Making calls on very vague rules is one thing, saying something differently than how the BRB and FAQ's say it is another. This issue is the latter.
The latter would still refer to the TO, not the player. At least with the evidence that has been provided.
Perhaps the player in question had a similar experience at either the same venue or a different one?
The player was better prepared, at least with the evidence provided. The only problem I see here is with the TO.
imweasel wrote:So it appears that most folks are in agreement.
The issue is with the TO, not the player.
imweasel wrote:KilroyKiljoy wrote:imweasel wrote:So it appears that most folks are in agreement.
The issue is with the TO, not the player.
More like the other way around, but it could have been different if the TO was competent/ wasn't corrupt.
You could make a point about competent.
You have no basis for the corruption claim/innuendo.
The player was, based on what was provided, looking for information. He is under no constraints to reveal that.
Hell the TO isn't really under any restrictions to reveal how he will rule or play the game.
Some folks honestly think that 40k is 'tournament focused'? Absurd.
imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:I'd say its both actually. The TO for not knowing the rules/making them up as he goes and the player for taking advantage of the rule that he and the TO made up together. It sounds like the player knew exactly what he was doing and influenced the TO into making a decision to his benefit.
Yet another poster jumping to conclusions.
And of course, you have evidence of this? No? I didn't think so.
You are the other player in the story, aren't you!
JK. The voice of reason is often not popular.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 22:06:50
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Fully-charged Electropriest
Richmond, VA (We are legion)
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imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:imweasel wrote:bazookatooth wrote:OP asked our opinions, I gave mine. No need to be a dick about it.
Except at no point did he ever mention or think that the player was in collusion with the TO on this.
You added this yourself. I wonder who is being dickish?
hahaha, apparently all you buddy. I used phrases like "sounds like" because we have no way of knowing what the TO and opponent were thinking. My opinions were theoretical not fact. No need to chastise me for disagreeing with you based on the very limited amount of information given.
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"My specific question was would you in my Opponents position tell the other player that the game would not be played using the FAQ rules and would you explain the TO's “house rule” only you knew about? "
Yes i would absolutely have told you if i was going to play by rules that were made up by someone other than the creators of the game. This call should have been made public before the tournament began.
Nice for you to change your mind after being called out on it. And for now sticking to facts instead of making your own baseless assertions.
Bully!
Quit butthurting all over this thread. It's people like you who ruin good threads like this because you can't deal with someone disagreeing with you on one small detail, and blowing up imaginary issues, just to argue over the internet with the penultimate result being that not a single thing changed, save for derailing this thread. So, seriously, leave and come back when you can handle differing opinions in a civilized and less antagonistic manner.
Back on freaking topic, what that kid did was both amoral and unethical, as he knew he should have informed the TO about the FAQ, but did no such thing, and also to inform you before you started the game. The things some people will do just to win at a boardgame is ridiculous.
NeutronPoison wrote:I don't think TOs should ever respond individually to rules e-mails. If someone e-mails you with a rules question, you should put your answer to their question on your tournament website, and reply with a link to the response on your website. Then, any player can look at the tournament website and know exactly what all of the other players know about how the TO will handle disputed rules.
This x 1000.
Phiasco II wrote:Would it be a bit over the top to take a piss on the pile of broken table and models before storming off?
+1.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 22:18:53
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Widowmaker
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I would have whipped out the FAQ over that one as they are pretty much not playing by the rules. If they still wouldn't go by it, I would demand my money back and go about my day.
It's also possible that the opponent thought the OP knew the rule. I don't always bring up random rules about what might happen on my next turn.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/02 22:25:28
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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NeutronPoison wrote:I don't think TOs should ever respond individually to rules e-mails. If someone e-mails you with a rules question, you should put your answer to their question on your tournament website, and reply with a link to the response on your website. Then, any player can look at the tournament website and know exactly what all of the other players know about how the TO will handle disputed rules.
This would depend on the level and scale of the tournament imo.
A small town local tourney, this would be fine. Anything larger I'd agree
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/03 13:44:23
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Zealous Shaolin
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Just one more quick point, I mentioned this topic was on Dakka to my Opponent at the second day of the Tournamnet and hoped he would post his version of events.
If he does could we keep it civil.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/03 16:17:42
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Steadfast Grey Hunter
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The TO will never respond to a rule email again including the author of this post who never mentioned the two or 3 question that were asked pre tournament and the questions put to me were regarding what is classed as a turn
There are plenty of mitigating circumstances which have not been mentioned or addressed these will be in time and 95% of people in the tournament agreed the way I had answered any questions were in a way that was fair and made sense
As for the fact Hesh didn't point out I changed what I had ruled to accommodate everyone but his and your comments about poor to have been taken into consideration !!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/03 16:24:14
Subject: Re:Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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corrected and withdrawn
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/03 16:41:08
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Scuttling Genestealer
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Maybe I misread, but i think the OP said that he was not aware of the ruling ahead of time.
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2012 Record to date
5k hive fleet kraken W: 13 D: 0 L: 2
7k Iron Falcons W:7 D: 0 L1
4.5k Grey Knights W: 3 D: 0 L: 0
3.5k Orks W: 0 D: 0 L: 0
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/03 16:59:17
Subject: Re:Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Nope I misread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/07 20:06:48
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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KilroyKiljoy wrote:Quit butthurting all over this thread. It's people like you who ruin good threads like this because you can't deal with someone disagreeing with you on one small detail, and blowing up imaginary issues, just to argue over the internet with the penultimate result being that not a single thing changed, save for derailing this thread. So, seriously, leave and come back when you can handle differing opinions in a civilized and less antagonistic manner.
Pot meet kettle.
And +1 and stuffs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/23 10:27:32
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Well I was there when this happened (and no im not a DE but a CSM player) but from this argument I need to see two sides of the argument.
All it seems to me is that there was a little rules query that has went over the top so, can we all STOP the flame war please.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/23 13:07:57
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Just so I understand this: Your opponent asked the TO a rules question before the tournament. The TO gave an answer, but didn't make it public knowledge. He didn't issue a tournament FAQ or state it publically, nor did he say that GW FAQs were invalid. You didn't ask the question because you didn't see a need to do so. You moved your skimmers flat out, they got wrecked, and then your opponent claimed that the units inside were destroyed because of his ruling with the TO. What I would have done, in your situation, was call the TO over, and ask him if he did indeed answer your opponent that way. I'd provide a case as to why that was the wrong ruling (specifically mentioning that both the rulebook and FAQ define the term "turn"). If he says that his ruling stands, I'd ask to be allowed to take my movement back, since I had no indication that he would rule specifically against established GW rules. If that's still a no, then I'd probably just shrug and carry on with the game, perhaps requesting that the TO announce the rule change publicly so that other players don't get caught up in it. Now, I do think it was very underhanded for your opponent to discover this ruling and not share it with you. It's one thing to win because you know the rules better than your opponent; it's another thing entirely to win because the TO made a (private) call in your favour before the situation even happened and you then took advantage of it. If I were him and I knew that the TO had not made this ruling public knowledge, I'd offer to ignore the TO's ruling just for the purposes of our game and ask the TO to make it clear to the whole group. This is all in theory, obviously. If it happened against me, then maybe I would be pissed. Maybe I wouldn't flip tables or stomp on minis, but I'd still be pissed...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/23 13:54:37
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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This is a pretty clear case of why do we like to play games like this.
We feel we are on the same page with the rules and by knowing the rules well we work within them and defeat our opponent fair and square.
It is a sour win to leverage a rule you know your opponent had no way of knowing. Capitalizing on their ignorance of published rules is fair game, if not a little ungentlemanly.
The TO for clarity and transparency should have covered this in a FAQ and failing that, concede to the rules FAQ or at the VERY least did the rules roll-off when people cannot agree as suggested.
Funny how a small change or interpretation can completely overturn your strategy. I don't think I would have "taken my toys and gone home" but I would have asked the TO "How was I supposed to know this rule interpretation?" transparency is key...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/23 15:38:13
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Frankly, I'm surprised about everyone's surprise.
And people actually believe that there is a 'tournament focus' on the behalf of gw.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/23 16:25:31
Subject: Re:Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Zealous Shaolin
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Unfortunatley Happygolucky, you've dragged a finished discussion back into the top 5 after 20 days. I would find it helpfull if you posted your version of events as you saw it even if it contradicts mine, no offense will be taken.
The DE player was offered the chance to respond and has not, to the point of blanking me in the local store yesterday.
Since it has raised its head again Ill answer the questions raised, I was letting the thread die due to the unwarrented abuse the TO was getting which was not my intention.
Cheexsta - The DE player had the e-mail on his phone. He would not budge on the outcome for the squads. He did know the FAQ. I have no idea if he originally thought I knew about the rule change.
In retrospect I could have argued more strongly with him but at the time I wondered if I was overreacting but the rule had been made and it was the third match.
In previous Tournaments and at this one we have always discussed certain rules such as can vehicles/infantry move through ruin walls. The Tournamnent was always self-regulating that way. Only he and I had fast skimmer transports ( I think) so it had not cropped up in any other match.
The TO when he replied on here was talking about post match.
I have always said your only hearing one side of the story, but if he wont come on or even talk to me I cant guess his reasons for doing what he did.
And again please just debate the original question, the Tournament Organiser runs a good, fun, competitive Tournament. It has always been high on fairplay apart from this one episode.
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To answer your points Talizvar it was the loss of three troop choices before my first turn in a objective based scenario. I did continue at the Tournament playing another 2 matches coming 3rd overall.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/23 16:37:10
Subject: Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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The New Miss Macross!
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happygolucky wrote:
All it seems to me is that there was a little rules query that has went over the top so, can we all STOP the flame war please.
You necro'ed a dead thread to say that?? This discussion was already dead, buried, and had the grass on the grave grow long enough to be cut before you added that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/23 16:44:56
Subject: Re:Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Zealous Shaolin
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It did however allow me to answer a couple of questions and increase my miserable post count
Thx Happy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/24 01:55:07
Subject: Re:Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Paladin of the Wall
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IMHO this is cheating. The other player asked the TO a rules question while knowing what the FAQs said and concealing his knowledge of said FAQ's, leading the TO to make a rules call for who he/she believes is a player who does not know the rules, but in reality is a player going for the 50/50 odds that the TO will rule in his favor.
As for flipping the table over, I would not blame you as he clearly rubbed it in your face. Another option is to have someone able to use living lighting, another unlimited range attack, or long range guns shoot at his units from another table. IIRC the rules say that a blast template that lands off the table misses. However, the rules do not saywhich table.
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From 3++
"Because your captain is smarter than Belial and all templar commanders ever, he doesn't discard his iron halo when you dress him up as a terminator. Remember this." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/24 02:05:11
Subject: Re:Unusual "You Make Da Call" question about what is fairplay?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BTNeophyte wrote:IMHO this is cheating. The other player asked the TO a rules question while knowing what the FAQs said and concealing his knowledge of said FAQ's, leading the TO to make a rules call for who he/she believes is a player who does not know the rules, but in reality is a player going for the 50/50 odds that the TO will rule in his favor.
You have no idea what a TO is going to say, regardless of what the rules or faq says.
There is no evidence (at least what's been presented so far) of cheating by the player in question.
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