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Just because FW makes a model that would help you shoot your enemy better, does not require that your enemy use it.

Maybe he should get missile launchers and say that he has LOS over terrain to shoot at your troops, because a FW dreadpod would have been bigger.

What if your enemy is using any model that FW has a version of. Should I be able to shoot you even though I cannot see you and argue that FW makes a model that is taller, and therefore the GW model is a proxy and you are cheating?

The model GW makes, is the model that I will base my rules on. If the SM player gets a cover save for the dread, then you also get a cover save if the dread shoots back. So that goes both ways.

Bat Manuel wrote:Not much cover

That's a Forgeworld model, and nothing to do with normal codex options.

Are you just kidding yourselves into thinking that there shouldn't be?

I suspect that if and when GW get around to releasing a Dreadnought-specific pod (and frankly, I doubt that they will, it's too specific for a vehicle kit) then it will possibly look like the Forgeworld one. But until then, that's just a guess. Once upon a time Rhinos could carry Dreadnoughts... but they weren't built specifically to accomodate a dreadnought, despite their quite clearly not being room in there for one.

So I ask again. Is using the infantry drop pod for a dreadnought and claiming cover sorta just like using a proxy for an in game advantage? Sorta like modeling for advantage? Sorta? Kinda? Just a little?

And again, since there is no actual GW Codex: Space Marines model for a Dreadnought Drop Pod, that would be a no. You use the one Drop Pod model that we have, because there is nothing that tells you to do otherwise.

Edit to add:
You're essentially asking that everyone should be playing on the assumption that the GW Dreadnought Pod (if they ever make one) will look like the Forgeworld version. What if the GW pod (if and when it arrives) turns out to have a Dreadnought-sized harness in the middle, that blocks just as much LOS as the current infantry harness? I would certainly be adding some sort of fixture to hold the dreadnought in place if I was designing the model...

Hey, it's YOUR gaming circle. If you choose to have a HYWPI house rule, it's your guys' business.

Using the GW drop pod (you keep calling it an INFANTRY drop pod, but as it's the ONLY drop pod), in my opinion, is 0% modeling for advantage.

Look at it this way, IF you start to feel a little janky, consider what a dreadnought harness would look like on the fictional GW dreadnought drop pod. Hell, it might even provide MORE cover than the GW "infantry" drop pod, regardless of how the FW model is made. Seems to me that FW model dropped dread would bounce around in that thing like a marble in a hamster ball.

(I know, a lot of this is reiteration, but some other posters hit my nails on their heads).

Warboss Fugnutz wrote:Hey, it's YOUR gaming circle. If you choose to have a HYWPI house rule, it's your guys' business.

Using the GW drop pod (you keep calling it an INFANTRY drop pod, but as it's the ONLY drop pod), in my opinion, is 0% modeling for advantage.

Look at it this way, IF you start to feel a little janky, consider what a dreadnought harness would look like on the fictional GW dreadnought drop pod. Hell, it might even provide MORE cover than the GW "infantry" drop pod, regardless of how the FW model is made. Seems to me that FW model dropped dread would bounce around in that thing like a marble in a hamster ball.

(I know, a lot of this is reiteration, but some other posters hit my nails on their heads).

Who's gaming circle? I don't know anyone who plays it that way. I was just wondering about those things after I saw some at a tournament. I still think leaving the infantry harness in the GW one is crap though. It's not like the thing can't get cover behind the 5 fins

BTW-I think whatever holds a dreadnought to a stormraven could probably hold one in a drop pod and isn't very big... just magnets.

In a tournament, no question, it would simply boil down to RAW vs. HYWPI (Rules As Written vs. How You Would Play It) and you could use the GW.

Mostly, though, as I wrote before, it seems silly to me that the dreadnought doesn't have any kind of securing mechanism. If you assume it takes about as much gear to harness a several dozen ton walking battlemech as it does a several tons of soldiers, wouldn't there be just as much harnessing gear in the pod? Perhaps more?

To me, the FW pod looks a little stupid:
"Yeah, we're gonna send this walker down from orbit at several hundred miles an hour and only a short blast rocket at the end is going to slow its descent... you think we need to strap this thing down?"
"Uh... the machine spirit is telling me... yeah... a lot."

Like I said before, it's just my opinion, but I don't see using the GW model as modeling for advantage - even a little bit. I see it as "pretend these infantry harnesses were strapping down the dreadnought".

And if it were magnets - why do they need to strap the armoured infantry down? Couldn't they just use magnets for them too?

Magboots, i tell you, magboots / clamps

I have a mental picture of a Dread, laying on the floor of the drop pod in the fetal position, just waiting for the impact....

I would just explain that the Harness for the Marines is roughly similar to the Harness used to keep the Dread in place. The FW one is not Canon, and is a pretty lazy design IMO. I'm sure if GW produced their own variant, it would have strappy bits within it that would qualify as cover for a dread on the other side. For now, just use the normal marine one, grant the cover and move on with it.