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Yeah, I prefer the rumors that he is joining the Necrons. That makes more sense.

Farsight wants order and unity. So do the Necrons.

Chaos is the antithesis for Order and Unity, so it makes no sense for Farsight to join them.

If it's written as a Daemon Blade, I'm gonna personally take a Sharpie and redact it from every copy of the book I come across.

Since the Tau's release, the Dawn Blade has been hinted at as either an Eldar relic or a Necrontyr relic.

That depends, is the Tau dex gonna be written by Ward?

What does that have to do with anything?

Ohhhh, you're trying to be clever.

Well in that case let me finish your attempted humor for you.

"If it's written by Ward, Farsight is going to be a super Chaos Tau!".

Now, what you failed to realize is that while Ward does do some extreme stuff--he also doesn't do the level of retcon that people point fingers at him for doing. The Dreadknight is the most major piece that he did, and that is a concept that is acceptable but the execution was a major fail.

So no sisters in 2012 ??! :(

I really really hop this isent true ...

Kanluwen wrote:What does that have to do with anything?

Ohhhh, you're trying to be clever.

Well in that case let me finish your attempted humor for you.

"If it's written by Ward, Farsight is going to be a super Chaos Tau!".

Now, what you failed to realize is that while Ward does do some extreme stuff--he also doesn't do the level of retcon that people point fingers at him for doing. The Dreadknight is the most major piece that he did, and that is a concept that is acceptable but the execution was a major fail.

Yeah Ok you got me. Old memes never die...regrettably.

Though seriously, Tau better not be able to turn to Chaos. That would be very, very dumb.

Ward, while capable of silly ideas, is also a bit of a hardcore fanboy of 40k to begin with. I really can't see him doing something as big as Chaos Tau.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yeah, I prefer the rumors that he is joining the Necrons. That makes more sense.

Farsight wants order and unity. So do the Necrons.

Chaos is the antithesis for Order and Unity, so it makes no sense for Farsight to join them.

Exactly. But Chaos can, when well-written, be very subtle. You don't start off with the gibbering horrors and the tentacles and the hey-ey. You give the pursued morsel what it wants. It wants order.. it gets order. But to get MORE order, it's goign to need to carve it out with martial might (Khorne), cast powerful sorceries (Tzeentch), infiltrate and take over (Slaanesh), or jsut bomb everything and pick up the nearly-dead pieces (Nurgle).

Chaos can be subtle. You don't convince someone to abandon deep-set beliefs with some amorphous demons, spine-tinglinging occult rituals, and debased ceremonies. You convince them by finding out what they want, and making them do what Chaos wants to achieve it.


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(To be honest, I think Tau using Necron or Eldar artifacts is a more interesting option, but I also think that going a tad more Lovecraftian with Chaos would be an improvement at times.)

Chaos can be subtle all it wants, the Tau don't hear its whispers.
In effect, Chaos might as well be shouting at a deaf man.

I think the biggest problem is that there's this assumption that the Dawn Blade needs to be 'doing' something to Farsight. It doesn't necessarily have to be doing anything, outside of perhaps extending his lifespan. Even that is uncertain though, as the Imperium and even the Tau think that it's simply a case of Farsight becoming the title for the leader of this faction.

You know...with all this talk of C'tan shards floating around, the dawn blade might be one.
It's a bit weird, but its a possibility.

I find it odd that half the races in the game are immune to chaos. How can chaos be a big bad if half the races ignore them? HM?!

Maybe Ward will write a nice story about it in the new chaos codex.

There's actually very few races(two) which are effectively "immune" to the predations of Chaos.

The Tau and the Necrons are it.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I find it odd that half the races in the game are immune to chaos. How can chaos be a big bad if half the races ignore them? HM?!

Maybe Ward will write a nice story about it in the new chaos codex.

Well, humanity isn't immune to chaos...and Eldar certainly isn't immune to Chaos. Their very existence depends on them not getting eaten by Slaanesh.




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Kanluwen wrote:There's actually very few races(two) which are effectively "immune" to the predations of Chaos.

The Tau and the Necrons are it.

What about Orks?

Orks aren't so much immune to Chaos as they don't realize it exists.

The Ruinous Powers have used Orks as tools for destruction before, but generally the two leave each other alone as Orks just figure that the aspects of the Ruinous Powers are those of Gork(or possibly Mork) and that Daemons are just good to fight.

Kanluwen wrote:Orks aren't so much immune to Chaos as they don't realize it exists.

The Ruinous Powers have used Orks as tools for destruction before, but generally the two leave each other alone as Orks just figure that the aspects of the Ruinous Powers are those of Gork(or possibly Mork) and that Daemons are just good to fight.

Isn't that why the Tau are "immune" to chaos? Because they don't believe it exists?

No, the Tau have pretty much no presence within the Warp, and it requires a massive expenditure of energy to even simply do the 'mindgames' against the Tau that Chaos likes to do against the other races like Eldar and Humanity. The whispers, altering perception of reality, mutations, etc.

Think of the Ruinous Powers like an investment firm. They go for the 'best investment'--in this case, it's Humanity, due to the fact that we show up in the Warp quite brightly and aren't generally as well shielded against the predations of Chaos as the Eldar are.
Because the Tau require more expenditure of energy, they are left alone for the most part in terms of attempts of possessions and the like, and generally they just are killed by the physical manifestations of Daemons.

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Kanluwen wrote:Orks aren't so much immune to Chaos as they don't realize it exists.

The Ruinous Powers have used Orks as tools for destruction before, but generally the two leave each other alone as Orks just figure that the aspects of the Ruinous Powers are those of Gork(or possibly Mork) and that Daemons are just good to fight.

Isn't that why the Tau are "immune" to chaos? Because they don't believe it exists?

I'm fairly certain that the Tau are just a race of what basically amounts to psychic nulls. I mean, they aren't really Pariahs or the assassins guys, but they have an extremely weak connection to the Warp. They're basically a slightly lesser version of the Necrons.

If Ward writes the Tau codex I will kill something, because he'll either have the Tau turn to Chaos or rape their fluff like he did with the Grey Knights.

I wouldn't say "nulls".

I would say they just have a really, really muted presence. Imagine it like they're wrapped in layers of saran wrap.

Also: Ward isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. When he first started out at GW, he wrote some fairly good fluff in White Dwarf for the various wildlife of Catachan(even had rules for it too).

Kanluwen wrote:There's actually very few races(two) which are effectively "immune" to the predations of Chaos.

The Tau and the Necrons are it.

Tyranids?

Tyranids can be mutated and the like, but we can't say definitively if the Hive Mind is immune to the predations of Chaos.

You get chaos orks.

Anyway four xenos in a row seems a bit unlikely IMO.

Kanluwen wrote:I wouldn't say "nulls".

I would say they just have a really, really muted presence. Imagine it like they're wrapped in layers of saran wrap.

Also: Ward isn't nearly as bad as people make him out to be. When he first started out at GW, he wrote some fairly good fluff in White Dwarf for the various wildlife of Catachan(even had rules for it too).

Do you have a 5th ed. Codex: Space Marines? Turn to page 48. Read the name of the campaign.

The Zeist Campaign.

He put a Highlander 2 reference into the Space Marine codex. Highlander 2 is a terrible, terrible movie, and was one of the worst sequels of all time. Nothing about highlander 2 is good. I don't know if Ward thought that Zeist sounded cool, or if he even knew what it was, but I wouldn't put it past him to include a reference to a movie so god-awful that people have spent years trying to retcon it out of existence or fix the entire movie by removing anything having to do with Zeist.

On the whole I don't have a HUGE problem with Matt Ward, but I do not like how he makes Space Marines (esp. Grey Knights) into super-marines capable of killing Daemon Primarchs and carving their names into the DPs heart. No. Just no.

Then there's also the "Bloodtide" incident, where GKs slaughter pure and untainted SoB and cover themselves with the SoB blood to not get tainted by Chaos, which fluff should tell us is already impossible (something about faith, and the GK training, and the whole "their faith is pretty much the strongest weapon they have" thing). Those GKs essentially became Khornate Knights instead of Grey Knights.

Grey Knights have always been super-marines.

And truth be told if you're getting "Khornate Knights" out of the whole Bloodtide incident, you're reading it wrong.
I've explained that one so many times it's not worth me doing it again.

I'm not saying I would want it, but the Dawn blade would be an easy, Oh Chaos all along bit.
Chaos:
Necron Anti Chaos (Draigo is secretly one of these (Haha, more bandwagon Matt Ward hating, seriously though, he's not that bad, and who knows if he actually wrote everything in the codex.)
Tau Mute
Orks Neither really one way or the other
Humans Tasty, and easily found
Eldar Chaos Buffet

I have a sad feeling that the only thing making GW break the usual Marine/Non-marine/Marine cycle......is running out of Marine codexes. :(

And then only for a short while as a new edition is always right around the corner at that time, meaning GW feels justified in releasing Marine codexes again. :(:(

I think people are missing an important point! THERE IS NOT A SM CODEX BEING RELEASED NEAR THE NEW GAME RELEASE! What if, what if GW is going to sell the future B?B WITH the new SM codex, only $100 for the two. Wait, that will not work, that would be a discount. Now for only $120!!!!!!

Wow, new Ork Smilies too (well, new to me).

temprus wrote:I think people are missing an important point! THERE IS NOT A SM CODEX BEING RELEASED NEAR THE NEW GAME RELEASE!

Well, I guess we'll just see shall we... and wouldn't Spiky Marines count as a Marine codex?

The biggest strike against the rumour is the lack of a new vanilla Space Marine codex coming along with the new edition. GW won't allow it's cash cow to be left with an outdated book.

Good grief - its only stories - who cares! What did the source say about the Tau rules? Am I getting my T5 suits?

A new tau 'dex would be interesting. And Sisters/DA will be awesome. Cant wait to get my hands on the new stories and fluff bound to be inside!