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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/03 18:00:39
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Unfortunately the actual corrupting only takes place in the Games Day 2011 hardback short story, but it was powerful enough to instantly corrupt any eldar who came in contact with it, even those seers specifically trained to be incorruptible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/03 18:51:33
Subject: Re:Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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The artifact does seem to influence anyone who gets near it, though.
A couple of items -
Devouring souls - keep in mind that Slaanesh eventually devours ALL of his followers' souls. The only difference between the Eldar and non-Eldar is that the Eldar are more "sympathetic" (using the non-emotional version of the word), so she likely devours their souls faster, meaning less opportunity to ascend to daemonhood or descend to spawndom.
Chaos Eldar - Some of the fluff for the Eldar stated that survivors of the Fall still lived on the Crone Worlds as "Chaos Eldar". Little information was given about them other than the fact that they were extremely powerful. More recently, though, GW seems to be neglecting to mention these individuals, and might have decided to quietly remove them from the fluff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/03 18:55:31
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Eldar can be corrupted, but it is very uncommon. They are highly resistant to the temptations of Chaos.
The Fall didn't happen because of Chaos, but because of the darker areas of the Eldar psyche itself. It was their own brains, not Chaos.
@Eumerin: Yeah, the "Chaos Eldar" has been retconned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/03 20:07:49
Subject: Re:Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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1.) In Rogue Trader days there have been Chaos Eldar miniatures. Since 2nd edition, background has been rewritten and every hint at possible Chaos Eldar eliminated.
2.) If daemons incl. Slaanesh get hold of an Eldar, they feed on his soul, not corrupt him. Every child is taught that fear.
3.) Both Craftworld and Dark Eldar have a culture based on fighting Chaos corruption. Craftworlders use strict discipline (Paths) to restrict emotions that feed Chaos, and they wear soulstones so that the soul isn't eaten by Chaos. DE live in the more or less save webway close to the warp and prohibit the use of psionic powers there to not attract daemons. They have to constantly fight a soul leech though.
4.) Croneworlds are the remnants of Eldar worlds destroyed by the Fall. The Codex is clear that all Eldar there were instantly killed, so no surviving Chaos Eldar there. If you find Eldar on Croneworlds, they travelled there later, always fearing that their soul will be eaten.
5.) There was only one case for a possible Chaos Eldar in newer flull: Arhra "The Fallen Phoenix who burns with the dark light of Chaos". But with the new DE Codex he returned unharmed.
6.) While there is no incident of a Chaos Eldar known, even if it would be possible to have one Chaos Eldar, an army of Chaos Eldar is impossible.
7.) There is one (sacked) BL author with a Chaos Eldar fetish: CS Goto. According to him, every second Eldar and Dark Eldar is worshipping Slaanesh. This fetish became so absurd that he wasn't allowed to write further BL novels and editors now look more closely for background consistency in BL novels.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 01:21:09
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Slaanesh is actually an eldar
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 01:24:25
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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leonard wrote:Slaanesh is actually an eldar
What?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 01:33:41
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Manhunter
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leonard wrote:Slaanesh is actually an eldar
What have I missed?
Also, the first Striking Scorpions Phoenix Lord got corrupted to Chaos, and is now known as the Fallen Phoenix or something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 01:39:03
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Slaanesh is a reflection of what the Eldar once were, that much is true....
Anyway, there should be Chaos Eldar given what we know about Chaos and how it works. Not all Eldar who worship Chaos are instantly eaten by Slaanesh. For instance, I imagine an Eldar could gain protection from Slaanesh if they gained the favor of Khorne. The Eldar can despair like no other race can and this would appeal to Nurgle, they can break into uncontrollable fits of bloodlust if not properly trained and this would appeal to Khorne, and their highly psychic nature and self-centered attitudes would make them appeal to Tzeentch.
GW is too lazy though and I think a tabletop Chaos Eldar army would be stupid/too similar to Dark Eldar in theme (aka "evil bastard Eldar in black!"). Indeed, many newcomers think Dark Eldar are Chaos Eldar at first glance. They should exist on a limited scale in BL novels though. I'm not talking CSM-level Chaos Eldar forces, but it makes little sense for there to be no accounts of Eldar falling to the temptations of Chaos, especially given how vulnerable Eldar are to such temptations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 01:45:26
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Harriticus wrote:Slaanesh is a reflection of what the Eldar once were, that much is true....
Anyway, there should be Chaos Eldar given what we know about Chaos and how it works. Not all Eldar who worship Chaos are instantly eaten by Slaanesh. For instance, I imagine an Eldar could gain protection from Slaanesh if they gained the favor of Khorne. The Eldar can despair like no other race can and this would appeal to Nurgle, they can break into uncontrollable fits of bloodlust if not properly trained and this would appeal to Khorne, and their highly psychic nature and self-centered attitudes would make them appeal to Tzeentch.
GW is too lazy though and I think a tabletop Chaos Eldar army would be stupid/too similar to Dark Eldar in theme (aka "evil bastard Eldar in black!"). Indeed, many newcomers think Dark Eldar are Chaos Eldar at first glance. They should exist on a limited scale in BL novels though. I'm not talking CSM-level Chaos Eldar forces, but it makes little sense for there to be no accounts of Eldar falling to the temptations of Chaos, especially given how vulnerable Eldar are to such temptations.
I like that idea that Eldar could gain protection from Slaanesh by seeking it from his brother gods. However, that's only gonna just add fuel to the fire, so to speak. Slaanesh would just get gakky his brothers are taking what is rightfully his/hers/its. Could lead to something good.
That being said, I have a hard time imagining Khorne wanting pansy skinny space elves.
Not to mention they're the ones who gave birth to his most hated brother so..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 02:08:48
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Harriticus wrote:Slaanesh is a reflection of what the Eldar once were, that much is true....
Anyway, there should be Chaos Eldar given what we know about Chaos and how it works. Not all Eldar who worship Chaos are instantly eaten by Slaanesh. For instance, I imagine an Eldar could gain protection from Slaanesh if they gained the favor of Khorne. The Eldar can despair like no other race can and this would appeal to Nurgle, they can break into uncontrollable fits of bloodlust if not properly trained and this would appeal to Khorne, and their highly psychic nature and self-centered attitudes would make them appeal to Tzeentch.
GW is too lazy though and I think a tabletop Chaos Eldar army would be stupid/too similar to Dark Eldar in theme (aka "evil bastard Eldar in black!"). Indeed, many newcomers think Dark Eldar are Chaos Eldar at first glance. They should exist on a limited scale in BL novels though. I'm not talking CSM-level Chaos Eldar forces, but it makes little sense for there to be no accounts of Eldar falling to the temptations of Chaos, especially given how vulnerable Eldar are to such temptations.
This is a very good answer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 11:03:18
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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First off, depending on your definition of "corrupted" you could say that all eldar's souls are corrupted by Slaanesh (except the harlequins, obviously). The paths of the craftworlders and intentionally humble lifestyles of the exodites are methods of keeping the dark side of their natures at bay.
Semantics aside though, the dark eldar are, for all intents and purposes, chaos eldar. Whether conciously or unconsciously, they venerate Slaanesh by practicing the tenets of his/her/its worship - hedonism, sadomasochism etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 13:18:26
Subject: Re:Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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I had someone tell me in my FLGS that the Eldar are allied with chaos because Khorne and Khaine are then same entity. I gave up trying to argue with him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 17:46:20
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Executing Exarch
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Harriticus wrote:GW is too lazy though and I think a tabletop Chaos Eldar army would be stupid/too similar to Dark Eldar in theme (aka "evil bastard Eldar in black!").
Thematically, perhaps. But in actual style they'd be quite a bit different. Eldar are natively psychic beings, and a Chaos Eldar army most likely wouldn't need to protect itself from the Warp to the degree that other armies do. As a result, in actual playstyle it would probably have a high number of psykers with (in theory, at least - in practice, things frequently don't work out as they ought to) fairly powerful psychic abilities.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/04 23:53:00
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Thanks for all the answers, guys, (and gals).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/06 01:33:59
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/30 09:20:01
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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yes they can (be corrupted by slaanesh)
here, have a look at Eldar of Slaanesh army (work in progress)
http://fastpaintingblog.blogspot.be/search/label/Army%20%3A%20Eldar
in the story, the craftworld Altansar has interaction with the warp on such a level that the hole population becomes ... changed,
extrapolating on this, I assume that at the time of the fall, a large population of eldar was consumed by Slaanesh and some chose a life of lust and chaos.
enjoy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/30 22:18:51
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Guarding Guardian
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Ronin wrote:Harriticus wrote:Slaanesh is a reflection of what the Eldar once were, that much is true....
Anyway, there should be Chaos Eldar given what we know about Chaos and how it works. Not all Eldar who worship Chaos are instantly eaten by Slaanesh. For instance, I imagine an Eldar could gain protection from Slaanesh if they gained the favor of Khorne. The Eldar can despair like no other race can and this would appeal to Nurgle, they can break into uncontrollable fits of bloodlust if not properly trained and this would appeal to Khorne, and their highly psychic nature and self-centered attitudes would make them appeal to Tzeentch.
GW is too lazy though and I think a tabletop Chaos Eldar army would be stupid/too similar to Dark Eldar in theme (aka "evil bastard Eldar in black!"). Indeed, many newcomers think Dark Eldar are Chaos Eldar at first glance. They should exist on a limited scale in BL novels though. I'm not talking CSM-level Chaos Eldar forces, but it makes little sense for there to be no accounts of Eldar falling to the temptations of Chaos, especially given how vulnerable Eldar are to such temptations.
I like that idea that Eldar could gain protection from Slaanesh by seeking it from his brother gods. However, that's only gonna just add fuel to the fire, so to speak. Slaanesh would just get gakky his brothers are taking what is rightfully his/hers/its. Could lead to something good.
That being said, I have a hard time imagining Khorne wanting pansy skinny space elves.
Not to mention they're the ones who gave birth to his most hated brother so..
There's been a number of books recently in the "Path" series for Eldar and DE Black Library puts out alluding to corruption within the ranks of the Eldar, but it tends to *not* be She Who Thirsts.
forruner_mercy wrote:
Also, the first Striking Scorpions Phoenix Lord got corrupted to Chaos, and is now known as the Fallen Phoenix or something.
That's been pretty strongly hinted to be retconned into "If by corrupted we mean depraved, path-ignoring jerkface" rather than "By Chaos" and is the origin of the Dark Eldar Incubi.
My take: It's unlikely for an Eldar to be corrupted by Slaanesh, because they'd have to be in contact with one of their demons, etc. for long enough to become corrupted, and in the mean time they'll probably have been eaten. Every fluff encounter suggests that, when it comes to Eldar souls, She Who Thirsts is not a patient creature.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/09/01 13:03:26
Subject: Can Eldar get corrupted by Slaanesh
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Expect this thread to get locked.
3 years is quite a while between posts, and thread necromancy is frowned upon.
Being your first post, I hope they're lenient
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