Attack on the Stardust Empire- A story between Inquisitor Ehrenstein, Lord Kesharq, and Dark Emperor

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**purplefood**

He doesn't see the problem?
It's ridiculous is the problem. In every sense of the word. It is open to ridicule.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

I assume you're referring to

It does make sense for a heretical faction, although he really doesn't see it that way. He really doesn't see the problem with having Chaos Space Marines, Tau, Eldar, Tyranids, and Orks all in an empire separate from the Imperium and allied with it. If the Dark Emperor character wanted to be an ally of the Imperium, it's probably more likely that he would just call himself a brother of the Emperor rather than actually try to claim himself to be the Emperor.

I think he realizes that people know it's completely ridiculous, but I think he genuinely believes that if he makes up a "good backstory" that all is explained and it makes sense for things to work his way. Part of it was my not coming out with how it doesn't work that way for not wanting to hurt his feelings.

I think he just does it for table top fun, or he just wants to have his own thing, but that's sort of a problem for wikis though.

**purplefood**

With fluff you can do whatever you want.
I prefer to have a background that fits with the universe myself.
Thing is, if you're gonna have this kind of background he will recieve... less than positive reviews. It's lazy. Not in the amount written but it's badly written.
There is some potential but most of it needs to be re-written.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

I agree with that.

Currently, it's all just his personal army; it doesn't fit the fluff and is only there for him.

I think that what really needs to be rewritten is that they can be heretical, but they shouldn't have 30 different races all in alliance; it totally breaks the grim dark them.

**Dark Emperor**

Mostly I was Not thinking When i Wrote the Fluff So i might Change it. But i would Keep it to the 6th ed Rule book ally List

**Dark Emperor**

If you guys want me to take things out i will and i was Planing to kill of the Nids Anyway (that doent Mean i wont Play them in the Tabletop)

**Dark Emperor**

Look the point of the Fluff Was that Even if something is a Xeno with a little persuasion Even a Xeno can Serve the Imperium and the God Emperor, The point of the Entire Group is not to Attack the Imperium and I know Someone would say but their Job is to Guard the Easter Part OF the Imperium and they are a Sub Empire In the Imperium.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

There's a discussion here where a few people gave good suggestions for updating the fluff to work better with established canon. I believe they suggested that the Tyranids could stay if they are being psychically controlled by the Dark Emperor.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/472288.page

**purplefood**

Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.

A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.

Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.

Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.

Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.

**Trondheim**

This, this reeks worse than manure! Never have I read such heretical trash

**Dark Emperor**

purplefood wrote:
Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.

A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.

Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.

Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.

Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.

Thanks For the Welcome and I understand thanks for that but I think This whole thing is just Out Of control (not the Empire Thing But the Talk on it). But I am Trying to Fix what i wrote, Plus the Inquistion Has had a Few Meetings with the Group. But I think that I did Make a Mistake When writing. And I never Wrote that in the Empire i Had my own Inquisition and Im not Saying Forced Space Marine Chapters but the Chapters joined the Imperium of their Own accord and the Xeons Strictly Avoid All contact with Imperium Forces (guard Duty in other Words)

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

purplefood wrote:
Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.

A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.

Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.

Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.

Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.

Thanks.

I was thinking that the Imperium would be unaware of the level of heresy going on in the Stardust Sector until Sturmkrieg and Volianvan discover it. It also wouldn't be in the Segmentum Solar for that reason. Basically, the Dark Emperor Omega has become delusional and thinks he is a brother of the Emperor and is serving the Imperium with xenos and Chaos Marines. Someone in the other discussion I started suggested that he be a super powerful psyker, and so he is able to manipulate the xenos and heretics into serving him.

It'll require Dark Emperor's approval of course.

@Dark Emperor- I think that's a good way of explaining it, and it wouldn't require too much change to what already is written.

**purplefood**

The Inquisition would find it out...
He would also have been picked up by the black ships long before all of this.

**Dark Emperor**

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
purplefood wrote:
Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.

A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.

Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.

Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.

Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.

Thanks.

I was thinking that the Imperium would be unaware of the level of heresy going on in the Stardust Sector until Sturmkrieg and Volianvan discover it. It also wouldn't be in the Segmentum Solar for that reason. Basically, the Dark Emperor Omega has become delusional and thinks he is a brother of the Emperor and is serving the Imperium with xenos and Chaos Marines. Someone in the other discussion I started suggested that he be a super powerful psyker, and so he is able to manipulate the xenos and heretics into serving him.

It'll require Dark Emperor's approval of course.
@Dark Emperor- I think that's a good way of explaining it, and it wouldn't require too much change to what already is written.

Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called

**Dark Emperor**

purplefood wrote:
The Inquisition would find it out...
He would also have been picked up by the black ships long before all of this.

He was (i have not Wrote it yet) but they found him Pure and found no Psychic power in his mind. He was Warned to Remain in His sector at all times and that if the other Imperial forces need him He will be asked and he is to train. That was all he was told to do and that is What He has Been doing for a long time and he just tries to maintain order and still Pays Skull Taka (the Ork War boss) to Make Attacks on other Ork Forces.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

purplefood wrote:
The Inquisition would find it out...
He would also have been picked up by the black ships long before all of this.

Do you think he could slip through the cracks on a forgotten world? I suppose they must have ways of detecting a psyker that powerful. It looks like it's back to the planning board on that area then.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Dark Emperor wrote:
Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
purplefood wrote:
Ignoring the Dark Emperor (The Character) there are some bits which though could be possible, end up making your Empire look stupid. Not stupid in a "I have no idea what i'm doing" way stupid in a "I'm 12 years old and i want my Empire to be awesome so i'm going to add everything to it" way.

A xenos might be persuaded to serve the Imperium the problem is it'd have to be an Imperial who persuades them and the Imperium doesn't exactly get chatty with xenos species.

Not to mention that even if your empire did do this the Inquisition would pick up on it sooner or later. Saying your empire has it's own Inquisition is also not on. The Inquisition has total power and in many cases they also have the firepower to back it up.

Claiming your empire has several SM chapters at its disposal is also not on. The Space Marines are independent of even the Imperium. Saying that our Empire has somehow managed to force several of them to join them (Despite all the heresy) is pretty awry. The Imperium is also the only force (Barring some Chaos chappies) who can make them.

Now that's just a start thing but we'll see how it goes...
Welcome to Dakka by the way.

Thanks.

I was thinking that the Imperium would be unaware of the level of heresy going on in the Stardust Sector until Sturmkrieg and Volianvan discover it. It also wouldn't be in the Segmentum Solar for that reason. Basically, the Dark Emperor Omega has become delusional and thinks he is a brother of the Emperor and is serving the Imperium with xenos and Chaos Marines. Someone in the other discussion I started suggested that he be a super powerful psyker, and so he is able to manipulate the xenos and heretics into serving him.

It'll require Dark Emperor's approval of course.
@Dark Emperor- I think that's a good way of explaining it, and it wouldn't require too much change to what already is written.

Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called

I was referring to the character being delusional, not you. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'll refer to the character as Dark Emperor Omega. I was just trying to create a way for him to think he is serving the Imperium while maintaining the forces that you have established. It won't work canon consistently to have the Imperium allied with heretics and xenos. Plus none of those xenos would want to ally with each other either. It would take a massive force just to get them into an army, let alone live together in an empire.

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

The Eldar and the leaders of the empire would have a fun time with these guys:

**purplefood**

Dark Emperor wrote:
Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called

Please use proper grammar and spelling on Dakka and at all times remember Rule #1.
If you want to write within the 40k universe (Believably at any rate) you have to obey the rules of the universe. Admittedly you don't have to do it but people could just as easily not have to read it...
Incidentally everything i have ever seen written about the 'Dark Emperor' (The character not you) says he is an Alpha level psyker...

**Dark Emperor**

purplefood wrote:
Dark Emperor wrote:
Look I think that U are the one who is delusional Here, What my guy thinks is that he should Watch and wait until the Emperor Needs His assistance. Plus he is not a Psyker but Very old and Wise and Has no psyker powers at all. AND IF WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS THEN COME DOWN TOMARROW AND WE CAN TALK AND SETTLE THIS! sorry i have a little Rage going right now. And dont start assuming things That are in ur opinion andd i am fine with Anyone having and opinion But I dont Like people who Just Hate what i wrote Based Solely on the True Fiction or whatever and that is what i think you have Based ur theroies on
Dude, Un Called

Please use proper grammar and spelling on Dakka and at all times remember Rule #1.
If you want to write within the 40k universe (Believably at any rate) you have to obey the rules of the universe. Admittedly you don't have to do it but people could just as easily not have to read it...
Incidentally everything i have ever seen written about the 'Dark Emperor' (The character not you) says he is an Alpha level psyker...

Sorry about that

**DeffDred**

This... Stardust Empire... has to go.

The idea of any of these races working together is foolishness beyond compare.

I read the breif entry on it and was just... shocked?... disgusted? I didn't even see anything on this "Dark Emperor" (our sheilds will be quite operational when your friends arrive).

Here's my main question. Why are you trying to include all these races? Did you just buy a bunch of models and can't decide on what to play?

The idea of Tau, Orks, Space Marines, chaos and Tyrainids working together is so beyond stupid I can't even express my hatred for the concept properly.

This idea MUST be struck from the record. Go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. SAVE NONE OF THESE IDEAS!

Too many Marine Chapters, too many ships, too many worlds, too close to Terra, too many allied races... the list of problems goes on.

You can make your fiction however you want but if you ever played against me and tried to tell me this back story I'd probably just stop playing and start a game with someone else.

If you're hellbent on including all these races you should make it coincidence they are all there and not the grand plan of an apparently non-psyker alpha psyker brother of the Emperor (who was created, not born).

There is just too much to go over and try to justify or correct. Seriously. Start over with a new idea.

**Lewisito**

Hi all, i am Lord Kesharq, the 3rd member of that site involved in that war....i was just wondering what people thought of my fluff.

(not asking for comparisons with Dark Emperors, just want views on my own fluff writing skills).

As for this....well it will burn in the holy fire of imperial counter attack!.

**purplefood**

Lewisito wrote:
Hi all, i am Lord Kesharq, the 3rd member of that site involved in that war....i was just wondering what people thought of my fluff.

(not asking for comparisons with Dark Emperors, just want views on my own fluff writing skills).

As for this....well it will burn in the holy fire of imperial counter attack!.

I'm somewhat ashamed to say that despite reading both the Sturmkrieg stuff and the Stardust stuff (Which really needs to just be re-thought) i haven't read any of yours...

**Lewisito**

Lol its ok mate, after all mine is kinda a side show to what Inquisitor Ehrenstein and the dark emperor have going on, am also not that involved with this war as i have been adding real life campaign games into my fluff which has lead me to really not get to involved as it would have been too many deployments for a single space marine chapter to do .

**purplefood**

Is there a link you can give me?

**Lewisito**

yeah sure all my works can be found here, iv written a lot over time so am not wanting you to go though it all lol. Just hope other gamers like it .

http://en.sturmkrieg.com/Portal:Volianvan

**Inquisitor Ehrenstein**

Lewisito wrote:
Lol its ok mate, after all mine is kinda a side show to what Inquisitor Ehrenstein and the dark emperor have going on, am also not that involved with this war as i have been adding real life campaign games into my fluff which has lead me to really not get to involved as it would have been too many deployments for a single space marine chapter to do .

You've actually written a lot more than I have.

**King Pariah**

Remember what I posted back on that getting the Stardust empire to fit better thread? I'm reposting it. (I admit, this sort of even tests my tolerance of fan fluff)

Yeah, he's definitely going to have to get rid of the nids, Nids actively protecting anything aside from a synapse creature and a synapse creature desiring to do anything more but nom nom nom to sustain the Tyranids as a whole?

Also, if he wants Tau allies, move his empire perhaps on the eastern fringe of the galaxy so it's relatively close to the Tau empire so it becomes reasonable that some minor breakaway Tau faction(s) would become incorporated into his empire.

What I think his "dark emperor" should be: A leader of tremendous charisma, a tactically and strategically brilliant soldier/warrior, of immense strength, power, and longevity from which a rumor was created suggesting that he had close ties to/worked closely with the emperor once upon a time, perhaps even related. The truth (if he so desires, could be another rumor and the truth be wrapped up in mystery): He's the Primarch of the Forgotten, once swallowed up by the warp only to be spat out fairly recently in some remote part of the galaxy. Perhaps he refuses to join the Imperium as it is not the Imperium that his father (The Emperor) had wished to create, and is trying to build an empire that is more akin to The Emperor's dream.However he is reluctant to abandon the Imperium and mankind as they are kin and so he goes out of his way to assist the Imperium when he can. The reason as to why he allies with xenos: he, unlike his father, sees hope for the galaxy in other races as well and strives for cooperation (as much as possible, probably make a loose alliance with orks somehow, perhaps something similar to the fluff of the Knights Inductor - a homebrew chapter - would suit his needs) against chaos and other forces that aren't so compromising/cooperative. The Dark Emperor being the Primarch of the Forgotten would also explain as to why he has access to Space Marines.

**Lewisito**

Really Inquisitor Ehrenstein? iv not kept count? but i didn't know i had outdone you :S. Which reminds me that i need to get back to work on your planets!.

**purplefood**

I have a recollection of the HH series hinting that at least 1 of the 2 Lost Legions were destroyed if not both of them...
Incidentally from reading random bits of it the Volianvan sector is pretty good...
It's not over the top. Fairly detailed (There are parts where you could go into detail further) and sensible.
The only real problem with it would be the grammar and spelling but all you'd have to do is run it though a spell check and you're fine.