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Kevin outplayed me, had the better list, and I had a few really bad dice rolls that all added up to my butt getting kicked! Haha.

@Lukus
I really want to add a unit of 5 tomb blades with blast weapons in as that unit is great against everything, and would have been murder against Janthkin.

@WHitedragon
I played poorly, and deserved to lose. I think I can win that fight, just not with the tactics I was using there.

@Janthkin
Luis will have that video up tonight.

extrenm(54) wrote:Nice Report.

When I saw the lists I knew the Necrons were in trouble.

they needed some BIG guns. like a doomsday canon would help a little.

I found Ci tian with the dangerous terrain upgrade works wonders on hordes. Especially Nids

I find in my games with nids, the Ymgarls are becoming my MVPs more and more.

I find the scarab farm lacking heavily when it comes to fighting non-mech units. Sure they can beat up on tau, guard, and tac marines, but things like paladins especially with rad grenades mean a death sentence for scarabs. I am also thinking back to what Mat Ward said and think Necrons should be more about the shooting rather than assault. Wraiths are fine but I feel the lack of reanimation and the low imitative will make it hard for them. Sure they have whips but those only work for models in base and through clever assaults, you can throw some guys at I1 and the rest at reg I.

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2011/12/05/1297/

Video up!


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That isn't the entire game, but the gist of it. We will upload part 2 with post game thoughts tomorrow.

Reecius wrote:
@WHitedragon
I played poorly, and deserved to lose. I think I can win that fight, just not with the tactics I was using there.

I know you can win that battle. Everyone is espousing the value of the ymgarls because you can't predict where they will go, but the fact is that you can! For clarification here, I'm using the royal "you" to apply to anyone playing the necron scarab far, not just Reece. You knew/know they are going to be S6'ing their way towards your scarabs, so wherever you deploy the scarab's/spiders, those Ymgarls are going to be in the closest piece of terrain for them. Knowing this, you either deploy away from terrain, or bubblewrap/block your scarabs until the ymgarls show up. They blow their charge wad on whatever your "sacrificial" lamb is, and then you counter with scarabs and you got him.

And for Reece specifically, forgetting about the outflankers is always bad news!

Yeah, haha, when he started rolling for reserves I just face-palmed! I completely forgot about the small unit of Steelers.

Oh well, we all make mistakes from time to time.

But yes, you can predict where Ymgarls are coming from to a certain extent. I majorly screwed up by allowing them to be charged like that, as that was the deathblow to me. Had I preserved them I still had a chance to at least tie the game.

Nice batrep and well played Janthkin. As a nid player myself I have been hoping Necrons get popular, as we match up against them quite well

This batrep illustrates something of a concern of mine with the frontline game's necron list and that is the ability to clear, capture and/or contest objectives. If they face an army that goes for dominating objective games (ala Tyranids and orks, among others like the rhino spam SW build or similar) then they could be in trouble.

So Reecius, what's the latest stance on this scarab list?

Has a few bad matchups, but good enough vs. mech that it's worth the gamble in a tournament?

Tweak the list (drop some spiders, but still be able to spawn a few scarab bases) to deal with these matchups?

winterman wrote:Nice batrep and well played Janthkin. As a nid player myself I have been hoping Necrons get popular, as we match up against them quite well

This batrep illustrates something of a concern of mine with the frontline game's necron list and that is the ability to clear, capture and/or contest objectives. If they face an army that goes for dominating objective games (ala Tyranids and orks, among others like the rhino spam SW build or similar) then they could be in trouble.

BA, too. Basically, it looks like Necrons mayhave problems dislodging assault armies from objectives. I look toward to more data.

Reecius or Janthkin I think he mentioned it in the video report but what were the reasons for placing the objectives so far off?

1+1_2x2_3^3 wrote:Reecius or Janthkin I think he mentioned it in the video report but what were the reasons for placing the objectives so far off?

I only got to place 1, so I put it on the second floor of the central ruins. Reece placed both on the same half of the board, gambling on getting to choose his deployment zone.

I think he beat himself before the game started with deployment and objective placing.

I agree, I certainly took a big chance with objective placement, that had it paid off, would have really helped. Unfortunately, it didn't! Haha

@Winterman & Leenus
The only assault armies that worry us, are those with strength 6. In our test games against other assault armies, it's not been a problem. The only armies that have really been problematic have been Jaws spam Wolves, Bugs, and now NFW Grey Knights.

Against even Daemons, it hasn't been that bad, when we thought it would have been.

We will test it further, and maybe tweak it some, but since Bugs are so rare at tournaments, I think it is safe to bet on not pulling them at an event, and against your average, Mech spam army, the Scarab Farm is dominant.

It looks like it may be less of a true tier 1 list, but a Meta list that has some bad match-ups, but in your average event will be very powerful.

Thanks for the BatRep. I think you building a list and sticking with it has given us some good data. I also think that I would look for a way to add some Tesla as swarm armies happen...

I say this all the time, but i love the long form video battle reps. as an ex nids player it was interesting to see the way that Jan played his nids. I never ran that list but something very similar. Interesting too that nids are such a bad match up for crons but so many other armies just own nids. I also agree that the game was over on turn one with the way that the objectives got placed. I have failed equally by putting my objectives in such a way that i had to fight to get to my foes side of the board. Never a good idea. if you are already ahead because you get to place more objectives than your foe, you might as well start off winning by having them all in your deployment zone. the nids are going to charge you anyways so you might as well fight them from a place where you can set it up so that actually reaching your lines is made difficult by bottlenecks in terrain etc. Great battle rep. next time i am around SF i will stop in and say hi. hopefully we can get a game in.
sennacherib.

sennacherib wrote:If you are already ahead because you get to place more objectives than your foe, you might as well start off winning by having them all in your deployment zone. the nids are going to charge you anyways so you might as well fight them from a place where you can set it up so that actually reaching your lines is made difficult by bottlenecks in terrain etc.

Keep in mind that in this game, we didn't know even what the deployment type would be until after objective placement, much less who would get to choose which deployment zone.

Reecius wrote:

It looks like it may be less of a true tier 1 list, but a Meta list that has some bad match-ups, but in your average event will be very powerful.

I agree

Note taken Janthikin.
but any time you take a chance like that its an all or nothing move. 50/50 chance it will backfire. I recently got stomped into a small wet meuling crater in the ground by crons. i was using a very light fast marine army. I moved two scout speeders and scouted (sicarius) a rhino full of marines up to the center of the crons lines. He stole the initiative and just eliminated half my army in one shot. In that instance i had a 5 to 1 chance that i was going to be able to alpha strike him and ... woe betides me... i recieved the beating that i had prepared for him. either way sometimes you put all your eggs in one basket and when you put all the objectives in one spot thats pretty much what you are doing.

lol I had a very similar game with one of my friends, Although I did EXTRAORDINARILY bad with only 1 kill to his 21 kills. :(

Nice Bat, Rep!

@Sennacherib
If you are in the area and would like to come by our store, that would be awesome!