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Seaward wrote:

KingCracker wrote:
Well that would certainly make sense. I hear this same thing out where I live, because Flint isnt very far away, so our news always covers the crap that goes on in that city. And they always cry its a racial thing when the police pull them over as well in Flint. Worst part is, its usually black males in their lower 20s in cflashy cars with big rims. Why? Because most of the drug dealers out in that area, drive those same cars. Racial profiling? I dont think so personally, I think its more along the lines of, if you want to look like your a gang banger/drug dealer, then be prepared to be looked at like your one.

The outward appearance of your car rarely constitutes probable cause.

Unless its a late model van with tinted windows and "CANDY" scrawled on the side of it...

Thought Spawn killed that guy? Oh nvm that was Ice Cream on the side of the van

KingCracker wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Okay

Mention age bracket anywhere?
Actually the type of vehicles being pulled over?
What I'm aiming out I'm betting are half the stops are "Fast and Furious" vehicles
Kind of wish they were more indepth with it

Maricopa County is also a primary route for drug and human trafficing.

Well that would certainly make sense. I hear this same thing out where I live, because Flint isnt very far away, so our news always covers the crap that goes on in that city. And they always cry its a racial thing when the police pull them over as well in Flint. Worst part is, its usually black males in their lower 20s in cflashy cars with big rims. Why? Because most of the drug dealers out in that area, drive those same cars. Racial profiling? I dont think so personally, I think its more along the lines of, if you want to look like your a gang banger/drug dealer, then be prepared to be looked at like your one.

I knew a guy in the Army who was pulled over arrested and detained because he matched the description of an APB in South Carolina. I'm pretty sure that whole description was "black male." bless his heart he wasn't even angry, but he was absolutely profiled.

sebster wrote: lots of words

I'm surprised someone who lives in Austrailia has such a verbose opinion of a county sheriff in Arizona. That said, a lot of what you wrote is spot on. He's misappropriated funds, threatened local politicians, and three of his senior deputies has been dismissed or quit due to corruption charges. In the town where my wife's family and we live in they failed to investigate over 400 sex crimes in the period where the PD was closed. So I can see the "Wall of distrust" argument, as this is primarily a spainish speaking community.
Sheriff Joe lives off his anti illegal immigration stance, and when the protests of SB 1070 (our illegal immigration legislation) were outside the 4th avenue jail were waving Mexican flags, I have trouble not seeing his point. It's not like were being overrun by French Canadians. So I have little doubt that Latinos feel targeted. If they are legal immigrants or citizens and they had their rights violated then I want Sheriff Joe taken to the cleaners, if not I want the illegals out. /shrug. I wish Paul Babeu was our Sheriff but he won't run against Joe.

You guys know I'm pretty pro-police and I think Joe Arpaio is a scumbag.

I have a family member who is a cop in a big city.

He admits to profiling. For example, certain 'nice' vehicles driven by 20-30 year old white folks with 1-3 passengers in certain areas at certain times are generally looking to buy drugs in his patrol area.

Pattern analysis (or profiling in laymans terms) has been a tool for LE and non-LE intel folks for a LONG time...

It works.

Yes, it does work-- as a tool by racists or the politically corrupt to terrorize their opponents. I'm not saying it doesn't work for legitimate purposes, but such purposes aren't what the complaints are about.

Ex LRG Duncan Donut with cream and sugar says he's just going to meet the standards before 4 Jan and just the standards. As for misuse of funds...never heard of additional duties with the job?

Jihadin wrote:Ex LRG Duncan Donut with cream and sugar says he's just going to meet the standards before 4 Jan and just the standards.

And then a month later forget about the standards again.

He's a corrupt piece of gak after all, why would he be held to those standards permanently?

I doubt he will bother, he and his lawyers sound ready to fight. Plus this is an election year for him and keeping immigration and himself in the news is good for him even if it's negative elsewhere he is stands only to gain.

It individuals that enforce the standards not just one individual. Granted one indivdual sets the "atmosphere" on how his/her organization is to abide by the standards so its on the individuals to put everyone in check. For a "corrupt" official there's no smoking gun on him. Figure a 3 year investigation would have found something to nail him.

Also there's two faction at play here. How the gov't views him and how the locals view him. From the vote results of his reelections he's effective in their eyes. From the gov't view he's not effective unless he meets standards. Double standards in a political ring I'm guessng

Jihadin wrote:It individuals that enforce the standards not just one individual. Granted one indivdual sets the "atmosphere" on how his/her organization is to abide by the standards so its on the individuals to put everyone in check. For a "corrupt" official there's no smoking gun on him. Figure a 3 year investigation would have found something to nail him.

Also there's two faction at play here. How the gov't views him and how the locals view him. From the vote results of his reelections he's effective in their eyes. From the gov't view he's not effective unless he meets standards. Double standards in a political ring I'm guessng

There are numerous smoking guns, but misuse of power and harassment of judges and other officials isn't what this thread turned out to be about. That's unfortunate too, because the allegations are seemingly numerous, well backed, and serious but all you people want to talk about is dem furriners that he's taking a hard stance on and not the laws and ethics he's breaking to protect himself.

There are numerous smoking guns, but misuse of power and harassment of judges and other officials isn't what this thread turned out to be about. That's unfortunate too, because the allegations are seemingly numerous, well backed, and serious but all you people want to talk about is dem furriners that he's taking a hard stance on and not the laws and ethics he's breaking to protect himself.

With a smoking gun then wouldn't he be like in jail? Fired? Removed from office? Allegations to me so far.

Jihadin wrote:From the vote results of his reelections he's effective in their eyes. From the gov't view he's not effective unless he meets standards. Double standards in a political ring I'm guessng

I'm sure the local pedophiles are very fond of him, since his office can't seem to understand that the second word in "sex crime" means he should be investigating them.

But he's "tuff on the messicans", so who cares he can't be bother to investigate child molestations, right?

Jihadin wrote:

There are numerous smoking guns, but misuse of power and harassment of judges and other officials isn't what this thread turned out to be about. That's unfortunate too, because the allegations are seemingly numerous, well backed, and serious but all you people want to talk about is dem furriners that he's taking a hard stance on and not the laws and ethics he's breaking to protect himself.

With a smoking gun then wouldn't he be like in jail? Fired? Removed from office? Allegations to me so far.

Did... You read the article..?

ShumaGorath wrote:

There are numerous smoking guns, but misuse of power and harassment of judges and other officials isn't what this thread turned out to be about. That's unfortunate too, because the allegations are seemingly numerous, well backed, and serious but all you people want to talk about is dem furriners that he's taking a hard stance on and not the laws and ethics he's breaking to protect himself.

Probably because the DoJ investigation is on civil rights and focuses on those "dem furriners."

Sheriff Paul Babeu, Sheriff of the year..guy who investigated Arpaio's office for corruption etc. Sums up what I think about the REPORT.

Paul Babeu wrote:I have little faith and trust in the U.S. Department of Justice after the actions, subsequent cover up and failure to accept responsibility regarding Operation Fast and Furious. The fact they chose today to release their findings was only done to take the attention away from themselves. Today marks the one year anniversary since the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry... The timing of the release of the MCSO investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice was only done today in an attempt to take away the negative attention from their responsibilities for Brian's murder and the murders of hundreds of people in Mexico.

Yes I did Shuma. How in fact is he corrupt. There's no proof yet and you already claimed he is? Actually let me retract that since I want Manning to serve a very long time in jail. All that allegations and accusation and he's still sheriff. Auston threw out a good one to and I might as well throw in the attempt of the long rifle law they want to have implement.

Jihadin wrote:How in fact is he corrupt.

Not that you care one bit about the facts, but...

He was convicted of effectively torturing suspected criminals through horrendous jail positions. Two years later, another court upheld that.
http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/graves-et-al-v-arpaio-et-al-opinion

He has been convicted of abusing his power to attack political opponents.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/25/20100225wilcox0225.html#ixzz0y8iImUJ8

And it being investigated further by the FBI for more abuses, abusing his power to go after the city's mayor, his political opponent for his office, the state attorney general, county managers, the county board of supervisors, the county's judges, ACLU attorneys, school superintendents, and news reporters.

He's violated Arizona election law an been fined over 150 thousand for it.
http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0824-arpaio-order.PDF

He's misspent well over 100 million in taxpayer dollars, using the money to fund attacks on political rivals.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/09/21/20100921joe-arpaio-sheriffs-office-funds-analysis.html




Seriously, the only way you can't call him a corrupt arsehole is if you're so partisan you can't see anything unless your head's turned 90 degrees to the right. He is scum, and trash.

But still in the job. You think he be in jail by now wouldn't you?

Just because a corrupt arsehole is still in power doesn't mean he isn't corrupt. That's a stupid assumption, which is also stupid. Really, it's just proof that the system is inefficient at removing corrupt arseholes from power.

KingCracker wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Okay

Mention age bracket anywhere?
Actually the type of vehicles being pulled over?
What I'm aiming out I'm betting are half the stops are "Fast and Furious" vehicles
Kind of wish they were more indepth with it

Maricopa County is also a primary route for drug and human trafficing.

Well that would certainly make sense. I hear this same thing out where I live, because Flint isnt very far away, so our news always covers the crap that goes on in that city. And they always cry its a racial thing when the police pull them over as well in Flint. Worst part is, its usually black males in their lower 20s in cflashy cars with big rims. Why? Because most of the drug dealers out in that area, drive those same cars. Racial profiling? I dont think so personally, I think its more along the lines of, if you want to look like your a gang banger/drug dealer, then be prepared to be looked at like your one.

What you're saying is that a 23-year-old white guy is fine to drive around in a car with white wall tyres, because being white he isn't likely to be a drug dealer.

So the senators that have allegations of insider trading against them are not corrupt?

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Whats the activity of the white wall tire fast and frious car?

Jihadin wrote:So the senators that have allegations of insider trading against them are not corrupt?

Once they're convicted-- and he has been, multiple times, no matter how much you would like to ignore it-- they are provably corrupt.

Jihadin wrote:But still in the job. You think he be in jail by now wouldn't you?

If justice worked that way sarah palin would be in a jail cell, not commanding hundred thousand dollar speaking fees. Cheney would probably get the firing squad (he might even shoot himself this time!)


Conservatives don't care if you break laws, violate human rights, and are generally a scumbag. They care that you're "Doing something" which they "want done". Mexicans are apparently scary and rich old white people don't have much to fear from corrupt police so they support the guy. Constitution be damned these days it seems.

You assuming I'm ignoring the conviction against him? Careful now. I've no issue if he thrown in jail. This investigaton took three years to complete is what I have an issue with. Look at the results that he has to abide by 4 Jan.

“President Obama and the band of his merry men might as well erect their own pink neon sign at the Arizona-Mexico border saying ‘Welcome all illegals to your United States’, our home is your home,” the Maricopa County sheriff stated.

He also vowed that he will never resign, and that there were some instances where his staff did not comply with federal regulations.

The U.S. Justice Department has given Mr. Arpaio 60 days to implement changes to his enforcement practices of the Arizona illegal immigration law, or the MCSO will risk losing federal funding.

SO what is the DoJ to do. Apparently they don't have enough to throw his arse n jail. Even the 155M he mispent/misapproiated/misuse is not a factor at this time. Even death threats to some cannot be connected to him.

So where's the smoking gun to remove him?

Jihadin wrote:You assuming I'm ignoring the convictions against him? [/my corrections/emphasis]

Because you are.

The way you argue, the fact that he is still in power is proof that he's innocent regardless of conviction.

I look forward to Jihadin's vigorous defense of either Richard Nixon or Bill Clinton having never done anything wrong, because they were never removed from office.

I went through the drawdown of the military under the Clnton Admin. Why would I defend him. He deployed the military 20 plus times while cutting our throat. Besides the only thing I have an personnal issue with Clinton is Lewinski. He should have tried to topped JFK in that arena

Nixon no clue since he's like beyond my time line


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Maybe I'm use to slamming a soldier who's late three times to formation with UCMJ. 14 days extra duty 14 days restriction reduction in rank. I ensure I have all the documents to justify slamming him. DoJ has the documents on him but not slamming him. Why? They either condone the action or do not have sufficent documentation to slam him to name two off the bat.

Jihadin wrote:I went through the drawdown of the military under the Clnton Admin. Why would I defend him. He deployed the military 20 plus times while cutting our throat. Besides the only thing I have an personnal issue with Clinton is Lewinski. He should have tried to topped JFK in that arena

Nixon no clue since he's like beyond my time line

Wo wo wo now. How the do you top Marilyn Monroe?

Wo wo wo now. How the do you top Marilyn Monroe?

The fact he didn't even try to top Marilyn Monroe. Besides why impeach him on a adultry charge? Didn't think a brand of cigars was ultra secret or something

I am of the mind he shouldn't have to conform or stand trial, I think he should just stand trial. He can be put in his prison camp. And why not, other inmates who have not been convicted awaiting trial are subjected to his treatment.

It is appalling that this person has the record of abusing his power and still get the nod to be elected in office. I guess people disdain for other cultures trumps the erosion of their own supposed high morals.