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MakersHitstheMark wrote:[This point actually is too common and is sad. I find it very frustrating the point difference between the boxes. The fact that two friends can't each buy a box and then play is silly and is the reason that people are not joining the hobby as quickly as I would like them too. Additionally, why is a mini rulebook and codex not included in those boxes? Sure, it might raise the price, but if each box came with 2 troops, 1 hq, the rule book, and their respective codex then they would be real starter boxes. Notice games workshop doesn't call them starter sets. They call them battle forces.

Because they are not starter sets, they are Battle forces. Your idea is great for *new* players, but meaningless for established players. As a long time player I already have the rulebook and the codex if I am buying the battle force. I have done my homework long before I even consider buying the battle force. Raising the price to add a codex and mini rulebook pretty much means that the value disappears. I buy battle forces to fill out new armies, but wouldn't bother if they had to cost $30-40 more to include a mini rulebook and codex, because I could then usually buy the included minis cheaper outside of the box.

Assault on Black Reach is the starter set and includes minis and rules to learn and start the game. Why do we need to turn every battle force or army box into a starter set?

Skriker

I think there is a patrol setting for a small game that does not require standard FOC, but i may be wrong

Just like a unit vs. unit type thing?

Damn close, 500 points, its a patrol thing, I know its on the adepticon page

It doesn't really matter when you're learning the rules I bet

http://www.adepticon.org/12rules/2012cp.pdf

Thats the adepticon combat patrol

Oh sweet. Thanks! this will help a lot!