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Kinda hard...
It took the entire Eldar Empire a while to make one and they are pretty much the perfect race to make a god...
Everyone is psychically sensitive to a degree, they feel emotion very strongly and they were excessive and committed acts of debauchery to a massive degree...

That's why I suggested something to do with a corrupt old one as a possible alternate storyline, but couldn't work it out any further

but as i asked earlier, does anyone know how the other 3 were created, it might make it easier to make something halfway believable if it was similar to the others

Mostly they were non-sentient entities until the war between the Old Ones and the Nercons broke out.
The Old Ones used latent psychic and fully psychic proxies to help fight the Necrons. These proxies (Eldar and Orks among them) eventually gave the 3 gods their sentience...
I think Nurgle was the 'first' to exist but Khorne was the 'first' to gain sentience.
It takes some truly colossal amounts of emotion from psychic or latent psychic races to give birth to a god.
Slannesh was quick in comparison which is why the EoT was created.

thanks, thats something I can work with

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DeathRex wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

Mordenkenain wrote:That's sort of the point; it is a sentient emptiness in the warp, the antithesis of its surroundings

I take it the Michael Moorcock reference went over your head.

My point was that the Gods of Chaos presented in Warhammer (and also in Moorcock's Eternal Champion stories, whence GW borrowed them) embody raw, emotive states; the beings which personified refined, abstracts such as reason and logic would be Gods of Law, not Chaos.

This brings an interesting thought to mind, let's just accept the fluff as is for a moment and say this small weak little thing just emerging into creation from the resentment and jealousy and what have you and did suffer such a shock. Something of a stillborn god floating threw the warp permanently devoid of any emotion falling upon it's only attribute logic. It watching and absorbing all the information it could in various ways before an obscene amount of years later supposedly after the emergences of it's 'younger' sibling (I don't think such definitions of time should matter to them) manages to feed off the trauma they cause and slowly gain footing.

What if this god which was being birth by chaos when shut off became a god of law? I know it sounds odd and I'm not to good at explaining myself but the idea is its more a state of limbo, not one but notbthe other.

That makes perfectly good sense of itself, and fits approximately within the established fluff. The problem with the idea as a whole lies in the number of twists and turns necessary to reach that point.

DeathRex wrote:Plus if it's cold logic wouldn't it's actions make it the god of cruelty ? Think about it the most emotionless and cold people are the most cruel. I only say this simply due to the fact every god has an emotion or attribute in which they attract/share with there followers and if this is a chaos god I believe this aspect of it's nature should be flushed out.. If he/ she was a cruelty causing horrific acts to cause the same shock in people to feed itself what it needs to thrive and grow in strength.

I would take issue philosophically with that first assertion: absolute logic is morally neutral, having no more inclination to cruelty or kindness than its opposite, complete randomness. However (and which might, I think, make a better direction for Hlei'xion) arbitrary cruelty, or, to reduce it to a more basic concept, injustice, would indeed suit a God of Chaos perfectly. The problem which arises then, of course is that there are already in the setting beings which embody both the injustice of chance (Tzeentch) and the human urge to rail against it (Nurgle).

I understand that better now, thanks.
But what I was more trying to get at is that it is a cold logical being trying to compete with gods of chaos following most likely their example and applying it's knowledge gained from years of stagnation and observing others. It's cold logic wouldn't cause it to be cruel but make him realize his existence is nurished by the only significant connection he has had with the massive jolt of trauma which put him in his current state of existence. So logically he would seek to cause more trauma and shock threw the means he deems most productive. So in fact his cruelty would not be for any personal gratification but a means to an end.
He will still be devoid of emotion but in this he could at least attract followers more convincingly.
I curious what a god of logic would bestow upon his followers as gifts. I can picture ' scholars' taking the place of priest/sorcerers and what not.

Since it's stated in the fluff he has been around since before the others even bother to exist or become active as it were, it would be interesting if the other chaos gods are aware of him/ her but deem it insignificant. An anomaly not worth their attention. Gives it a bit of that under dog feel which might cancel out the assumption that your trying to craft a 'god among gods' by stating it's older age.

thank you that's exactly what I was going for, not greater than or even equal to the other gods, lesser, but different; empowered by a less common emotive (or non-emotive in this case) state, so requires more time to get sufficient power to step into the other gods' notice without getting insta-pwned. You can all stop complaining about it trying to be an ultimate god, that isnt what I was going for, I was trying for very, very different. Also, the other gods would be fully aware of its existence, but they're too busy whaling on one another to bother to swat such an insignificant speck (and it also fulfils the same purpose as bottom feeders in a fish tank; eating those bits of detritus which are of no interest to anyone else)

the gifts wouldn't necessarily be different to those given by the other chaos gods, it could still bestow tentacles upon people, provided those tentacles would make the recipient more efficient at their set task, similarly, there could be chaos spawn in its forces, but they would be solely enemies and those judged too incompetent to be useful in current form

I kinda skipped through but shock isn't the absence of emotion, if anything it tends to fall under either disbelief, surprise, or being overwhelmed by emotion.

As for feelings of resentment, Malice already has that one covered with Vengeance.

King Pariah wrote:I kinda skipped through but shock isn't the absence of emotion, if anything it tends to fall under either disbelief, surprise, or being overwhelmed by emotion.

As for feelings of resentment, Malice already has that one covered with Vengeance.

i believe the shock itself caused the god to be cut off from its nourishment of emotions leaving it like i stated before something of a still born god. its absent emotions not due to the nature of the shock but as after math of it. sort of feeling such intense pain in a limb that you loose all feeling and ability to feel from then on with that limb. [not sure if that's possible but its the concept i believe is being used here]

the shock doesn't seem to represent anything but a backlash from the sudden change or/and eradication of its source of coming into existence while in mid emergence or forming.

thats the impression i got at least.
As in being void of/cut off from emotion his few means to fuel itself is threw creating that overload in others or something to that effect.

there do seem like there are a few holes in this story overall but it is a WIP after all. im interested in where this might go with the right criticism.