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Then something like an invulnerable saves i'm simply using a thought example, replace strength with an effect so that strength means more but the weapon isn't under powered.

The only other ID death suggestion would be to make it a toughness check. Is it X2 T make a toughness check or die, deal with it kinda deal.

When a model is hurt by a weapon (after failing saves, etc.) for every multiple of the hurt model's toughness it deals another wound.

examples
S 8 against T 4 = 2 wounds
S 9 against T 3 = 3 wounds (say hello to laz being cool again)
S 6 against T 4 = 1 wound

Feel no pain would be altered, you are allowed to roll for 1 of the wounds, in other words a single wound model hit by a double or more strength weapon will not be able to survive, but a 2 wound has a chance to stay on it's feet with 1 wound left.

It should also be clarified that these would be only against individual models, if a model takes more wounds from a high powered weapon than it has, the additional wounds do not go into the rest of the squad.

Trance_Phoenix wrote:Then something like an invulnerable saves i'm simply using a thought example, replace strength with an effect so that strength means more but the weapon isn't under powered.

The only other ID death suggestion would be to make it a toughness check. Is it X2 T make a toughness check or die, deal with it kinda deal.

This is actually a pretty cool idea. And maybe for each point over the x2 threshold 1 is deducted from your die roll (eg, T4 hit by a Demolisher Cannon [S10] take a Toughness test at -2). It would also help out MCs against Force Weapons, as most of them are T6 anyway, although it would also make Force Weapons pretty useless.

Force weapons could be changed to simply cause D3 wounds.

the game needs ID

We wouldn't be looking to tweak it if they hadn't made entire armies with it (GK)