1850 Orks Most Competitive List Possible

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**Iron-Fist**

This list is pretty tough for its points value.

I think the Ghazzy+Snikrot combo is one of THE BEST in the whole game. Their synergy is just great, and the add a much needed consistency (no roll past reserves) to the Ork army. It levels the playing field against shooty armies in a big way. Even the small things, like Ghazzy actually being able to use his IC-granted move through cover (since the kommandos have it too) to keep his mega armor moving, are awesome. Keep it (and add it to every army from now on).

Now, I gotta say, and this is a personal opinion thing, but have you found the big shootas to be... useful? I almost always opt for the rokkit launchas. Against 3+ armor, they are slightly better (statistically), they offer instant death possibilities, and they give a better way for your shoota boys to help the lootas demech an enemy who doesn't leave troops outside of cans.

Honestly though, this army would be most competitive at slightly lower points. At 1500 pts, you'd min-max the lootas to ~7, cut the kommandos to the min, and keep the big threats in your army. This would be really hard to stop at 1500, and if anyone tells you Ghazzy is too expensive at 1500, you laugh at them while wrecking anything within 18'' on the board edge (since you're mostly shoota boys, ghazzy can just use his waaaagh for himself!).

**AllYourBase**

I like the idea of having 19 boyz in each BW
When they destroy your KFF wagon you can just get him into another wagon
Do you keep your KFF in between the other 2 BW because that would protect your side armor being rolled on

**Green is Best!**

I agree with Iron Fist about the Rokkits over Big Shootas. Yes, ork shooting stinks. But, it is nice having a few random shots per turn that actually have a chance to blow something up. Granted, it is a small chance, but it does give your mobs a chance to kill something short of assaulting it. I have spent many a time with a mob stuck out in the open wishing it could do something other than just run.

**mercer**

UberhAxTHC wrote:
The comment about suggesting Nobz wasn't directed at you. Hence the large gap between my comment to your quote, and the rest of what I said. I'm not sure why you repeated what I said about the Grey Knights...I was making a point as to why I'm not taking Nobz. Hypothetical situation. You know what that means, right? Also, nobody is above or beyond receiving advice. Just from that comment, I'd say I'm a better Ork player than you, simply because I take advice, rather than saying "I don't need it." Next time you come into a forum about helping, try helping, instead of just boosting your own ego.

And as for damaging BWs on the first turn...chyeah...ok...whatever you say dear. You'd have to draw LOS first. And I'm not exactly going to just let you shoot me...

Not sure why you felt the need to flame me. I'm guessing it's because you made the mistake of thinking I directed the Nob comment towards you, when I didn't. Too bad you don't know what the gak you're talking about. It's pretty obvious I can read, btw...otherwise I wouldn't be spending my time on a website full of nothing but walls of text...Your whole post was nothing but flame. Furthermore, what exactly were you trying to achieve by telling someone who is seeking advice, and discussing their strategies that they're "making a fool of themself"? Isn't that what these forums are for? I guess we're all just fools to you...?

But most importantly...

Then you should work out how to use the quote button correctly so people know who you're talking to instead of randomly talking to the floor and following on a conversation from someone else. That's why there is a multi quote button.

If you're a better Ork player then why you asking for help? Good players don't need help because they have it already worked out and don't take multi big shootas on their Battlewagons because they know those big shootas are S5

No one is flaming anyone. You just fail to work the quote button and also understand valid reason. I don't understand when people ask for advice and then ignore it, this seriously has to be a troll topic, right? Anyway, good luck with your Ork list.

**UberhAxTHC**

I've been taking advice...the original list I wrote has been changed roughly 8 times to reflect the advice I was given. Even took advice from you. And if you really believe all that nonsense about "good players don't need advice" I feel for you. You must have had a hard time magically gaining all your 40k knowledge without anyone ever giving you advice.

Not sure why everyone here thinks this is a troll post, and that I'm just rejecting advice. I have taken loads of advice, and added it to the list. The current list barely resembles the old one. My previous one didn't even have Ghaz. Right there is proof that I am taking advice. The only time I refute advice is when I believe that it won't work with my list. I'm not saying it's bad advice. I'm not saying Nobz are bad. I'm saying it's not for my list, and then giving reasons why. If someone is going to bother to spend their time typing out advice for me, I am going to be kind enough to let them know why I'm not using it, rather than just ignoring it. If you can't handle rejection, you should probably get off the internet.

So many false accusations...is it because I have boobs? :(

**UberhAxTHC**

Shame I feel the need to post this.

Please don't attach pictures making fun of people with Down Syndrome to your posts. Thanks! ~Manchu

**Forcast**

UberhAxTHC wrote:So many false accusations...is it because I have boobs? :(

There are no girls on the internet from what I've heard.

**mercer**

UberhAxTHC wrote:I've been taking advice...the original list I wrote has been changed roughly 8 times to reflect the advice I was given. Even took advice from you. And if you really believe all that nonsense about "good players don't need advice" I feel for you. You must have had a hard time magically gaining all your 40k knowledge without anyone ever giving you advice.

Not sure why everyone here thinks this is a troll post, and that I'm just rejecting advice. I have taken loads of advice, and added it to the list. The current list barely resembles the old one. My previous one didn't even have Ghaz. Right there is proof that I am taking advice. The only time I refute advice is when I believe that it won't work with my list. I'm not saying it's bad advice. I'm not saying Nobz are bad. I'm saying it's not for my list, and then giving reasons why. If someone is going to bother to spend their time typing out advice for me, I am going to be kind enough to let them know why I'm not using it, rather than just ignoring it. If you can't handle rejection, you should probably get off the internet.

So many false accusations...is it because I have boobs? :(

ok.

Yes, it's because you have boobs and a fanjita. i hate boobs. and fanjitas. i hate all women and they should burn in the pits of firey hell. Women have no place playing this game and if they attempt to, then they should be put in the stocks.

This is textbook example of breaking Dakka rules. ~Manchu.

**UberhAxTHC**

Well, at least you're honest.

Honest and single.

**bombboy1252**

doktor_g wrote:if you don spul chick are gramur chick tit mayx ur puss difeekult 2 D-sy-fur so pleze du uz a favur

Obvious troll is obvious.

Who is that even directed at, I could read everyones posts just fine.

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Forcast wrote:
UberhAxTHC wrote:So many false accusations...is it because I have boobs? :(

There are no girls on the internet from what I've heard.

Ya I heard a similar thing.

**UberhAxTHC**

Get on facebook or myspace once in a while...

**Manchu**

@all: This is a thread about an army list. Please stick to the topic of the thread.

**bombboy1252**

UberhAxTHC wrote:Get on facebook or myspace once in a while...

It's one of the rules of the internet, they are law...

Rules of the internet wrote:Rule 30. There are no girls on the Internet.

Anyway, back to the list.

I would drop the 'eavy amor and cybork from the big mek. You want him hiding in a BW not in close combat. Also I would give the boyz mobs rokkit launchas instead of big shootas.

**MFletch**

UberhAxTHC wrote:He's Ork Marbo.

More like space wolves wolfs scouts.
Yes, he can be great but he will not improve every list and he takes the tasty elite section.

Marbo is virtually guaranteed to make his points back, comes from an unfavoured section and improves any list. Essentially he is the best unit in the game.

Snikrot is not even close to best unit in his codex. kff has to be top.

This enough derailing, carry on with your argument

**Metallicarule**

UberhAxTHC wrote: How do you consider AV14 with a constant 4+ cover easy to take out? In what world does that make sense, lol? I don't hear anyone saying Land Raiders or Monoliths are easy to take out. That's just madness.

Fire Dragons! Bye bye AV14 Battlewagons!

**UberhAxTHC**

Metallicarule wrote:
UberhAxTHC wrote: How do you consider AV14 with a constant 4+ cover easy to take out? In what world does that make sense, lol? I don't hear anyone saying Land Raiders or Monoliths are easy to take out. That's just madness.

Fire Dragons! Bye bye AV14 Battlewagons!

You realize that FDs will kill any vehicle like that, not just BWs? Actually, BWs stand slightly more of a chance than Land Raiders or Monoliths, because at least they'll get a cover save. So what's your point?

**mercer**

Land raiders can get cover saves too, it's not like your going to pass all cover saves anyway. his point is that fire dragons will trash a battlewagon (like any vehicle), though you seem to think 3 are hard to take out. i played a ork battlewagon list for several years, at the end of games i would probably have two left as they aren't hard to flank the sides and with them been open topped not hard to take out. depending on what you play against, three wagons won't last all game, especially if you're using them as gun-wagons.

Have you considered deffkoptas for a distraction and perhaps a min unit of meganobz to add another battlewagon?

**MFletch**

Boys are the most boring thing to put in a battlewagon.
Essentially you are showing the enemy three bricks with just two squads at the back who are completely unprotected, that is not too scary a prospect.

Try 9 rocket buggies. This'll give you ranged antitank and may just distract from the battlewagons. Or just get that other battlewagon.

Is Ghaz. giving you much more than a normal well armed warboss?

**NickTheButcher**

MFletch wrote:Boys are the most boring thing to put in a battlewagon.

Boring, but effective. Slugga boys are fierce 20 deep with a hidden powerklaw.

Try 9 rocket buggies. This'll give you ranged antitank and may just distract from the battlewagons. Or just get that other battlewagon.

Agree here, BW spam is spam for a reason

Is Ghaz. giving you much more than a normal well armed warboss?

Yes. A Million times more. You are essentially gaining a guaranteed turn 2, 28" assault.

7 Str. 10 PK attacks a 2+ invuln, 4 wounds and a guaranteed 6" run for any other infantry you have on the board is also nothing to shake a stick at.

At 1850 he may seem like a lot of points, but it just depends on what else is accompanying him.

**Reckoner**

I like the list. It's a wall of ranged firepower that still has CC teeth so that is pretty cool...and the infiltrated Ghaz is a good way to make your opponent crap their pants. I think you're pretty optimistic about the survivability of the battlewagons. The AV14 front is nice yes, but play against anyone with long range AT on edges that can hit the AV12 side armor, like a Psyrifle dread, and they become a lot more vulnerable. I guess it depends a lot on who gets first turn though. Since the list is pretty simple I don't think there are any changes you can make that will cause drastic improvements, unless they are small modifications depending on opposing armies. But I imagine this list works well against most, I can see it doing well against Nids and GK the two armies in the game with fearsome CC to Orks.

I noticed a bunch of text earlier about running with Nobz. While they are good, I don't believe they are required in a list like this. You want the numbers for the shooting from the wagons. Best part about this is, even if you lose a wagon you have Shoota Boyz foot slogging rather than Choppa Boyz.

EDIT: One last thing just because I'm unsure, but can you take 2 Big Shootas in a mob of 19 boyz and a nob?