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I'm not sure how right this infomation is but;

Segmentum : Solar
Sector/sub sector: Solar/Sol
Star system: Sol
world name: Terra
Tithe grade: Aptus Non
world type: Hive World
Primary/secondary/tertiary export: Administratum Personnel/Ecclesiarchy Personnel/Tourist Souvenirs
star type: G2V
hydrosphere: 0%
atmosphere: nitrogen-oxygen
population: 176.170.005
capital: Imperial Palace


Army of Holy Terra:
(82.758.582 Strong)

Adeptus Custodes:
-10.000 Custodes Total
-Emperor's Personal Guard (300 Custodes)
-Further Organizational Details Classified M31

Legio Ignatum:
-3 Emperor Class Imperator Titans (Crew: 155)
-2 Emperor Class Warmonger Titans (Crew: 125)
-5 Warlord Battle Titans (Crew:32)
-3 Reaver Battle Titans (Crew:25)
-8 Warhound Titans (Crew:12)
-36 Imperial Knights (Crew:1)


60 Armored Divisions (1.003.750 Soldiers per Division)
Each Armored Division Contains:

-1.000 Stormtrooper Regiments
1.000 Stormtroopers per Regiment
100 Chimera Armored Personnel Carriers per Regiment

-5 Armored Regiments (750 Men per Armored Regiment):
200 Leman Russ Tanks per Regiment (20 Demolisher; 40 Exterminator; 140 Standard)
40 Hellhounds per Regiment
2 Superheavy Tanks per Regiment (1 Baneblade; 1 Shadowsword)


Imperial Fleet of Holy Terra:

Battleships:
-10 Emperor Class Battleships (Crew: 500.000)
-10 Victory Class Battleships (Crew: 300.000)
-20 Retribution Class Battleships (Crew: 300.000)
-10 Apocalypse Class Battleships (Crew 300.000)
Cruisers:
-100 Lunar Class Cruisers (Crew: 20.000)
-20 Gothic Class Cruisers (Crew: 25.000)
-10 Mars Class Battlecruisers (Crew: 25.000)
-50 Dominator Class Cruisers (Crew: 25.000)
-20 Armageddon Class Battle Cruisers (Crew: 30.000)
Escort Vessels:
-350 Firestorm Class Frigates (Crew: 800)
-600 Sword Class Frigates (Crew: 800)
-325 Cobra Class Destroyers (Crew: 500)

Where'd that come from? Because it looks. . . a little odd, honestly. Though no odder then a lot of 40k fluff, I suppose.

Heh, GW would never be so specific - also, in every studio source you can find they make a point of there only being a single, unique Storm Trooper regiment (not 60.000) containing 20.000 men (not 1.000 each), which in addition also never gets deployed as a whole (iirc, maximum deployment size was company-level).

Still, an interesting interpretation.

Its the captital world of the whole Imperuim, I personaly think the numbers are way on the conservative side me self, probably three times as much.

Lynata wrote:Heh, GW would never be so specific - also, in every studio source you can find they make a point of there only being a single, unique Storm Trooper regiment (not 60.000) containing 20.000 men (not 1.000 each), which in addition also never gets deployed as a whole (iirc, maximum deployment size was company-level).

Still, an interesting interpretation.

See, that's another bit of stupidity.

For the WHOLE IMPERIUM, there is ONE Storm Trooper regiment of 20,000? Ok. . . if they're a totally ceremonial formation, maybe. But there's no way that all the Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, or indeed Imperial Guard Storm Troopers, are drawn from that regiment, because there are probably that many active war zones at any given time. The Imperium has a million worlds, give or take; 20,000 is 2% of that. I certainly think more than 2% of the Imperium is at war.

If that's so, all it means is that the Storm Troopers are not the only storm troopers around; that is, that 'Storm Trooper' is at the same time an official title and a more unofficial designation, and there's one regiment which is officially called 'Storm Troopers' while all the others are. . . I don't know. Something else, officially.

BeRzErKeR wrote:See, that's another bit of stupidity.
For the WHOLE IMPERIUM, there is ONE Storm Trooper regiment of 20,000? Ok. . . if they're a totally ceremonial formation, maybe. But there's no way that all the Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, or indeed Imperial Guard Storm Troopers, are drawn from that regiment, because there are probably that many active war zones at any given time. The Imperium has a million worlds, give or take; 20,000 is 2% of that. I certainly think more than 2% of the Imperium is at war.

Thing is that the vast majority of warzones are of no concern on an Imperium-wide scale but rather are handled by "local" forces (meaning of the sector in question). The Guard Codices have mentioned that Imperial defense works by escalating command as well as resource availability depending on the level of crisis - starting at sector-level, then subsector and finally segmentum. Given that the Storm Troopers are a special force dispatched all over the Imperium, it stands to reason that they only get dispatched once Segmentum Command gets involved.

As an example: the 3rd War for Armageddon saw 18 companies of Storm Troopers in action: http://web.archive.org/web/20061216033306/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/storm.html

For comparison, the combined number of Storm Troopers and Battle Sisters doesn't even reach 20% of the Space Marines deployed there - they are quite simply not that numerous:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061213214122/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/imp_forces.html

BeRzErKeR wrote:If that's so, all it means is that the Storm Troopers are not the only storm troopers around; that is, that 'Storm Trooper' is at the same time an official title and a more unofficial designation, and there's one regiment which is officially called 'Storm Troopers' while all the others are. . . I don't know. Something else, officially.

Sort of. There's "Grenadiers" which are basically Storm Troopers minus deepstrike capability. Lots of Guard regiments have access to them. And then there are the Cadian Kasrkin, which have been said to be the equal of Storm Troopers in terms of their skill.

The most distinctive element about the "real" Storm Troopers is that they are not some unit attached to a bigger regiment but a regiment of their own, whose companies get deployed all over the Imperium and attached to other IG forces on an as-needed basis. That, and they have their own Valkyries. I believe this is a rarity I've only ever seen shared with the Elysian Drop Troopers. Oh, and unlike other Guard regiments they are recruited from the ranks of Schola Progenium top male students.

usmcmidn wrote:I remember seeing a pic of Terra with a SM Battle Barge overhead...

Is it SMs? If so what chapter?

Is it IG? I know they have their own forces but are they IG or SM maybe both?

Just PDF?

-Imperial Fists Chapter.
-Several major Battle Sisters Orders.
-Terran PDF.
-10.000 Adeptus Custodes.
-1.000 Grey Knights.
-Mars Titan Legions.
-Mars Tech Guard.
-Sol System Battlefleet.
-others...

Keep in mind the chapters of the SM's all train their tech marines on Mars and would not like it if some one or thing tried to invade. Especialy Holy Terra.

So I imagine any thing that tried to invade and had any form of success would soon see at least several hundered thousand marines respond.

Brother Coa wrote:-Several major Battle Sisters Orders.

Although the Major Orders are usually on duty scattered throughout Imperial space, even those that have their home base on Terra. Of course, there will always be a couple hundred present (Novices in training, the Abbess, her staff etc), but if the Imperium doesn't have some time to prepare the really big battle formations will not be able to show up in time.

Unfortunately I remembered this bit just now and not earlier as I mentioned the Convent. :/

Maybe there's a difference between Storm Troopers and Stormtroopers, like there is between Black Ships and Blackships (sometimes...)?

I'd also be interested in where that info came from. Seems a bit out in the naval department: bit high in the classes found mostly in other places (Dominator and Armageddon) and a bit light in the staple classes (Tyrant, Dictator, Overlord, lovely Dauntless); and the crew numbers... but let's leave that (post FFG RT) can of worms alone....

And that's a lot of Battleships - be great if it was true and a solid source. How official's the Victory Class?

Lynata wrote:Sort of. There's "Grenadiers" which are basically Storm Troopers minus deepstrike capability. Lots of Guard regiments have access to them. And then there are the Cadian Kasrkin, which have been said to be the equal of Storm Troopers in terms of their skill.

The most distinctive element about the "real" Storm Troopers is that they are not some unit attached to a bigger regiment but a regiment of their own, whose companies get deployed all over the Imperium and attached to other IG forces on an as-needed basis. That, and they have their own Valkyries. I believe this is a rarity I've only ever seen shared with the Elysian Drop Troopers. Oh, and unlike other Guard regiments they are recruited from the ranks of Schola Progenium top male students.

I'm referring to fluff, not Tabletop; the game often has practically-nonexistent units represented in every army, it doesn't bother me that there's a Stormtrooper entry in the IG Codex.

But there's also plenty of people called 'storm troopers' in fluff. For instance; in the Eisenhorn books the naval security troopers that check out the rogue trader he's traveling on after he's attacked by 'deserters' (actually Chaos-worshippers) he calls 'storm troopers'; and this is an Inquisitor, so he would know. There might be only one Storm Trooper regiment, but it's also a fairly general term for an entirely category of soldier, and it does also seem to be in use (though perhaps not official use) under that meaning.

tsz52 wrote:Maybe there's a difference between Storm Troopers and Stormtroopers

No, just inconsistent writing - just look at the Armageddon 3 link, they don't even get it right in one and the same article.
99% of the time they seem to write it as "Storm Troopers", though.

tsz52 wrote:I'd also be interested in where that info came from.

The second "Black Ship" type? I think the only place it ever popped up in studio material was a BFG article, from the looks of it (author's name) something that a fan came up with, but GW liked enough to include. As Gav mentioned on his blog, they occasionally do that; incorporating fluff that someone outside of GW came up with into the setting as represented by studio books, such as Abnett's Tanith First and Only.

Also, here's a bit from the ole' Inquisition Illustrated Guide, explaining it pretty well:

Black Ships
Space vessels operated by the League of Black Ships, which perpetually travel the Imperium collecting a tithe of psykers from every planet's population.
These ships often give passage to members of the Inquisition and the term 'Black Ship' has by extension come to include the specialised starships directly controlled and operated by the Inquisition.
- IIG p. 14

tsz52 wrote:How official's the Victory Class?

Well, it doesn't show up in GW's BFG lists you can download from their website:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1280005_BFG_Ships_of_the_Gothic_Sector.pdf
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1280008_BFG_Imperial_Fleets.pdf

That said, the term "official" may be somewhat misleading, anyways. As Gav Thorpe put it: "With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy." [link] There is no "right" or "wrong" or "true" or "false" - the setting of 40k is entirely dependent on you as an individual. Me, I like to place studio material over anything else as I consider it the origin, the source - but that doesn't mean that anyone else has to subscribe to this philosophy, and there are in fact a lot of people who do prefer the interpretation of some Black Library novel or the version presented in FFG's roleplaying game.

BeRzErKeR wrote:I'm referring to fluff, not Tabletop; the game often has practically-nonexistent units represented in every army, it doesn't bother me that there's a Stormtrooper entry in the IG Codex.

Um... a background entry doesn't stop being fluff just because it is printed in a GW book. You do realize that the term "fluff" actually originated there, encompassing all the setting descriptions not relevant to actual gameplay rules and stats (also called "crunch")?

Not to mention that, given the Storm Troopers' easy availability as an Elite choice in the TT, by your logic it would actually make more sense to inflate their numbers to a much higher headcount rather than limiting them. Not that this would ever have any meaning for the TT, anyways. I've not seen an IG army with 20.000 miniatures yet.

"The same applies to transference from Black Library back into the gaming supplements. If the developers and other creative folks believe a contribution by an author fits the bill and has an appeal to the audience, why not fold it back into the ‘game’ world – such as Gaunt’s Ghosts or characters from the Gotrek and Felix series. On the other hand, if an author has a bit of a wobbly moment, there’s no pressure to feel that it has to be accepted into the worldview promulgated by the codexes and army books. And besides, there simply isn’t enough room in those gaming books to include everything from the hundreds of novels – good, bad or indifferent as we each see them – so the decision must ultimately rest with the taste of individual readers and gamers."
- Gav Thorpe on his blog

BeRzErKeR wrote:For instance; in the Eisenhorn books [...]

Yes, yes, and in another book the Marines go into battle carrying multilasers and do backflips in Terminator armour...

I have no problem if you prefer some individual novel author's interpretation of the setting over the stuff written by GW themselves - but please realize that this doesn't make it any more "right" than any other version of the fluff, including the studio's own rulebooks and codices. In the end, everything is nothing more but a different opinion. Pick one you like and subscribe to it, but remain aware of the differences.

Lynata wrote:

BeRzErKeR wrote:I'm referring to fluff, not Tabletop; the game often has practically-nonexistent units represented in every army, it doesn't bother me that there's a Stormtrooper entry in the IG Codex.

Um... a background entry doesn't stop being fluff just because it is printed in a GW book. You do realize that the term "fluff" actually originated there, encompassing all the setting descriptions not relevant to actual gameplay rules and stats (also called "crunch")?

I do, in fact, realize that. However, since then it has expanded to become a much more general term, incorporating ALL the background material of the universe in which the game is set. That is how I use the term.

Lynata wrote:
Not to mention that, given the Storm Troopers' easy availability as an Elite choice in the TT, by your logic it would actually make more sense to inflate their numbers to a much higher headcount rather than limiting them. Not that this would ever have any meaning for the TT, anyways. I've not seen an IG army with 20.000 miniatures yet.

I'm really not sure how this follows, honestly. I don't believe I presented any arguments or 'logic' about the relationship between numbers in the background and numbers on the tabletop. For instance, Space Marines are extremely rare in the background, but probably the most common thing to see in the game. . .

Lynata wrote:
"The same applies to transference from Black Library back into the gaming supplements. If the developers and other creative folks believe a contribution by an author fits the bill and has an appeal to the audience, why not fold it back into the ‘game’ world – such as Gaunt’s Ghosts or characters from the Gotrek and Felix series. On the other hand, if an author has a bit of a wobbly moment, there’s no pressure to feel that it has to be accepted into the worldview promulgated by the codexes and army books. And besides, there simply isn’t enough room in those gaming books to include everything from the hundreds of novels – good, bad or indifferent as we each see them – so the decision must ultimately rest with the taste of individual readers and gamers."
- Gav Thorpe on his blog

BeRzErKeR wrote:For instance; in the Eisenhorn books [...]

Yes, yes, and in another book the Marines go into battle carrying multilasers and do backflips in Terminator armour...

I have no problem if you prefer some individual novel author's interpretation of the setting over the stuff written by GW themselves - but please realize that this doesn't make it any more "right" than any other version of the fluff, including the studio's own rulebooks and codices. In the end, everything is nothing more but a different opinion. Pick one you like and subscribe to it, but remain aware of the differences.

I'm quite aware of GW's policy regarding the Black Library; and I don't believe I ever claimed that mine was the only possible, or the "right" interpretation. Furthermore, in fact none of my speculation has even contradicted the fluff, since I don't think GW has ever taken a position on what the vernacular terms for Naval Security might be, particularly not given that such things almost certainly vary from sector to sector.

BeRzErKeR wrote:I do, in fact, realize that. However, since then it has expanded to become a much more general term, incorporating ALL the background material of the universe in which the game is set. That is how I use the term.

Why discount the Storm Troopers' fluff in the actual codices, then? I'm confused.

BeRzErKeR wrote:I'm really not sure how this follows, honestly. I don't believe I presented any arguments or 'logic' about the relationship between numbers in the background and numbers on the tabletop.

Well, you did say "practically nonexistent units represented in every army", which does sound a lot like a comparison of numbers between fluff and TT usage.

BeRzErKeR wrote:Furthermore, in fact none of my speculation has even contradicted the fluff, since I don't think GW has ever taken a position on what the vernacular terms for Naval Security might be, particularly not given that such things almost certainly vary from sector to sector.

Ah, given that we were discussing Storm Troopers and you brought up this example, it sounded as if you wanted to weave a connection there.

BeRzErKeR wrote:I'm quite aware of GW's policy regarding the Black Library; and I don't believe I ever claimed that mine was the only possible, or the "right" interpretation.

Well, glad we cleared that up. It really appeared as if you were trying to "challenge" my interpretation (or even GW's).

Lynata wrote:Why discount the Storm Troopers' fluff in the actual codices, then? I'm confused.

I'm not. I'm pointing out that it isn't the only fluff on the issue, and also that the idea of an organization as large as the Imperium fielding only 20,000 of, well, anything is a bit silly. GW has demonstrated consistently that it has a great deal of trouble holding onto a consistent sense of scale. That being so, and given that the same word is used to refer to a number of different organizations in different pieces of background material (all of which are just as 'canon' as anything else, per GW's policy on the matter) it's perfectly reasonable to present an alternative explanation.

Lynata wrote:

BeRzErKeR wrote:I'm really not sure how this follows, honestly. I don't believe I presented any arguments or 'logic' about the relationship between numbers in the background and numbers on the tabletop.

Well, you did say "practically nonexistent units represented in every army", which does sound a lot like a comparison of numbers between fluff and TT usage.

Well, I WOULD call 20,000 across the entire galaxy 'practically nonexistent'; but the context I used that phrase in the context of mentioning that I don't really take any account of how common a unit is on the tabletop when what's under discussion is how common it is in-universe. If we were to go by how often something shows up on the tabletop, we'd have to conclude that there are as many Space Wolves and Blood Angels as every other chapter of Space Marines put together, and any of the three outnumber the Orks. That is to say, I was making no argument about the relationship except to say that there ISN'T a relationship.

Lynata wrote:

BeRzErKeR wrote:Furthermore, in fact none of my speculation has even contradicted the fluff, since I don't think GW has ever taken a position on what the vernacular terms for Naval Security might be, particularly not given that such things almost certainly vary from sector to sector.

Ah, given that we were discussing Storm Troopers and you brought up this example, it sounded as if you wanted to weave a connection there.

BeRzErKeR wrote:I'm quite aware of GW's policy regarding the Black Library; and I don't believe I ever claimed that mine was the only possible, or the "right" interpretation.

Well, glad we cleared that up. It really appeared as if you were trying to "challenge" my interpretation (or even GW's).

I wasn't challenging anything, or, rather, I wasn't trying to. I was suggesting a possible explanation for why the same term might be cropping up in different places, referring to different organizations; and, incidentally, one which would allow people to continue to use the term "storm trooper" for it's thematically menacing sound and threatening historical connotations without being shackled to a single, highly limited and slightly hilarious piece of background.

Made a big post on what I thought the full defenses of Terra were a while back:

-Battlefleet Solar. The strongest fleet in the Imperium, this thing is going to be front line of defense and the chief obstacle for any invading force. A standard Battlefleet consists of ~75 warships if I remember, so expect Terra's to be several times larger then that. I would estimate at least 5-10 times that if you consider not only the importance of defending the system but also the fact that the Segmentum Fortress is located on nearby Mars, defending merchant fleets, managing pilgrimages, and so on. In addition to lots of Battleships and so on, expect a ring of orbital defense stations.

-The Moon has been transformed into a giant military base, any invading fleet is going to have a fun time taking that thing. Expect lots and lots of planetary defense lasers, surface-to-air missile silos, and so on. You can not take Terra until you take the Moon, so the battle against Battlefleet Solar and the invasion of Luna will be the largest, bloodiest, and most important affairs.

-Adeptus Custodes, ~10,000 around the Imperial Palace complex. Despite being the toughest soldiers on the planet, they're not going to leave the Palace.

-Imperial Fists garrison, probably a few hundred given the planets significance to the Chapter. The Phalanx would probably be on call to arrive at Terra on short notice as well.

-Terran PDF. At least several billion soldiers that are likely well-drilled and equipped. A very large number would be needed to keep a planet like Terra secure. I imagine they lack experience however. Also since I recall there being Terran Imperial Guard Regiments on Armageddon, it's likely their best fighters are conscripted and sent off on campaign.

-The Adeptus Arbites would naturally maintain a huge presence on Terra, so there's another army to consider, one that runs into the high millions.

-The Adeptus Mechanicus. These guys are probably the most important asset to Terra's defense after Battlefleet Solar and Luna. Mars probably matches Terras defenses in size and scope alone. Expect billions of Skitarii and combat servitors, the crack Titan Legions that defend the planet with its grandest machines (i.e., lots of Imperators), and legions of robots from the Legio Cybernetica that are probably kept in stockpiles on the planet. They'd also pull out the big gun, from Ordinatus' to Titan Legions such as the Sinister. The Adeptus Mechanicus would also maintain a huge fleet around the planet.

-The Convent Prioris of the Sisters of Battle is based on Terra, so there are going to be a substantial number on Terra, and they're going to fight fanatically.

-The Inquisition's Headquarters. Supposedly located under the South Pole. As the center of the Inquisition, these guys are going to have a lot of veteran Inquisitors, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, nasty captured Xenos/Daemon weapons, and so on.

-As the center of the Imperial Cult, the Ecclesiarchy has an untold number of facilities and churches on the planet as well as a massive palace that is going to be heavily guarded. The Ecclesiarchy presence on the planet will be perfect for organizing and calling up a massive army of Frateris Militia, easily going into the billions as soon as they whip the population into a big enough frenzy.

-The Officio Assassinorum's headquarters and training school are on Terra, and while most of their operative are spread across the Galaxy there will be a presence on the planet, including not only bodyguards of the Grand Master but also veteran assassins and the most dangerous alien weaponry in the Imperium that the Officio maintains in some vault. Every kind of crazed experimental super soldier they've dabbled in is likely going to be unleashed as well.

-Grey Knights. Based on Titan, they are only a short distance from Terra by Galactic standards. They could be there quickly and in numbers to **** **** up.

-The Headquarters of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica is on Terra, expect a large force of very powerful Psykers. Such Psykers are at their HQ for training purposes, to control new Psykers, and to oversee those sacrificed to the Emperor.

-The bodyguards, security forces, and servants of the untold billions of Adepts, Administrators, Noblemen, and Bureaucrats that work on the planet.

-Hive Gangs. Just as any Hive World Terra's lower Hive areas are probably lawless and controlled by gangs. These gangs can wield some defensive power, and I recall hive gangs cooperating with Imperial forces for the sake of mutual survival (such as on Armageddon, where they fought off Orks).

There's also the issue of reinforcements, as soon as enemy forces enter the Solar System every Space Marine chapter in the entire Segemtum would probably bolt for Terra ASAP. Expect the same overtime with Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy, Tech Guard, Sisters of Battle, Inquisition, and so on.

Invading Terra would be the biggest nightmare ever, ever. The Tyranids are probably the only ones who are even imaging such a thing, I can't see any rational CSM actually considering it's possible anymore (they can't even break out of the Eye of Terror region). So good luck to the Tyranids, I guess.

usmcmidn wrote:I remember seeing a pic of Terra with a SM Battle Barge overhead...

Is it SMs? If so what chapter?

Is it IG? I know they have their own forces but are they IG or SM maybe both?

Just PDF?

Batman.

Harriticus wrote:Made a big post on what I thought the full defenses of Terra were a while back:

-Battlefleet Solar. The strongest fleet in the Imperium, this thing is going to be front line of defense and the chief obstacle for any invading force. A standard Battlefleet consists of ~75 warships if I remember, so expect Terra's to be several times larger then that. I would estimate at least 5-10 times that if you consider not only the importance of defending the system but also the fact that the Segmentum Fortress is located on nearby Mars, defending merchant fleets, managing pilgrimages, and so on. In addition to lots of Battleships and so on, expect a ring of orbital defense stations.

-The Moon has been transformed into a giant military base, any invading fleet is going to have a fun time taking that thing. Expect lots and lots of planetary defense lasers, surface-to-air missile silos, and so on. You can not take Terra until you take the Moon, so the battle against Battlefleet Solar and the invasion of Luna will be the largest, bloodiest, and most important affairs.

-Adeptus Custodes, ~10,000 around the Imperial Palace complex. Despite being the toughest soldiers on the planet, they're not going to leave the Palace.

-Imperial Fists garrison, probably a few hundred given the planets significance to the Chapter. The Phalanx would probably be on call to arrive at Terra on short notice as well.

-Terran PDF. At least several billion soldiers that are likely well-drilled and equipped. A very large number would be needed to keep a planet like Terra secure. I imagine they lack experience however. Also since I recall there being Terran Imperial Guard Regiments on Armageddon, it's likely their best fighters are conscripted and sent off on campaign.

-The Adeptus Arbites would naturally maintain a huge presence on Terra, so there's another army to consider, one that runs into the high millions.

-The Adeptus Mechanicus. These guys are probably the most important asset to Terra's defense after Battlefleet Solar and Luna. Mars probably matches Terras defenses in size and scope alone. Expect billions of Skitarii and combat servitors, the crack Titan Legions that defend the planet with its grandest machines (i.e., lots of Imperators), and legions of robots from the Legio Cybernetica that are probably kept in stockpiles on the planet. They'd also pull out the big gun, from Ordinatus' to Titan Legions such as the Sinister. The Adeptus Mechanicus would also maintain a huge fleet around the planet.

-The Convent Prioris of the Sisters of Battle is based on Terra, so there are going to be a substantial number on Terra, and they're going to fight fanatically.

-The Inquisition's Headquarters. Supposedly located under the South Pole. As the center of the Inquisition, these guys are going to have a lot of veteran Inquisitors, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, nasty captured Xenos/Daemon weapons, and so on.

-As the center of the Imperial Cult, the Ecclesiarchy has an untold number of facilities and churches on the planet as well as a massive palace that is going to be heavily guarded. The Ecclesiarchy presence on the planet will be perfect for organizing and calling up a massive army of Frateris Militia, easily going into the billions as soon as they whip the population into a big enough frenzy.

-The Officio Assassinorum's headquarters and training school are on Terra, and while most of their operative are spread across the Galaxy there will be a presence on the planet, including not only bodyguards of the Grand Master but also veteran assassins and the most dangerous alien weaponry in the Imperium that the Officio maintains in some vault. Every kind of crazed experimental super soldier they've dabbled in is likely going to be unleashed as well.

-Grey Knights. Based on Titan, they are only a short distance from Terra by Galactic standards. They could be there quickly and in numbers to **** **** up.

-The Headquarters of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica is on Terra, expect a large force of very powerful Psykers. Such Psykers are at their HQ for training purposes, to control new Psykers, and to oversee those sacrificed to the Emperor.

-The bodyguards, security forces, and servants of the untold billions of Adepts, Administrators, Noblemen, and Bureaucrats that work on the planet.

-Hive Gangs. Just as any Hive World Terra's lower Hive areas are probably lawless and controlled by gangs. These gangs can wield some defensive power, and I recall hive gangs cooperating with Imperial forces for the sake of mutual survival (such as on Armageddon, where they fought off Orks).

There's also the issue of reinforcements, as soon as enemy forces enter the Solar System every Space Marine chapter in the entire Segemtum would probably bolt for Terra ASAP. Expect the same overtime with Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy, Tech Guard, Sisters of Battle, Inquisition, and so on.

Invading Terra would be the biggest nightmare ever, ever. The Tyranids are probably the only ones who are even imaging such a thing, I can't see any rational CSM actually considering it's possible anymore (they can't even break out of the Eye of Terror region). So good luck to the Tyranids, I guess.

That about covers it. Basically to besiege Terra you need like half the Mechanicum, half the Imperial Guard and Navy and and several space marine legions. Even then probably not enough.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Harriticus wrote:Made a big post on what I thought the full defenses of Terra were a while back:

-Battlefleet Solar. The strongest fleet in the Imperium, this thing is going to be front line of defense and the chief obstacle for any invading force. A standard Battlefleet consists of ~75 warships if I remember, so expect Terra's to be several times larger then that. I would estimate at least 5-10 times that if you consider not only the importance of defending the system but also the fact that the Segmentum Fortress is located on nearby Mars, defending merchant fleets, managing pilgrimages, and so on. In addition to lots of Battleships and so on, expect a ring of orbital defense stations.

-The Moon has been transformed into a giant military base, any invading fleet is going to have a fun time taking that thing. Expect lots and lots of planetary defense lasers, surface-to-air missile silos, and so on. You can not take Terra until you take the Moon, so the battle against Battlefleet Solar and the invasion of Luna will be the largest, bloodiest, and most important affairs.

-Adeptus Custodes, ~10,000 around the Imperial Palace complex. Despite being the toughest soldiers on the planet, they're not going to leave the Palace.

-Imperial Fists garrison, probably a few hundred given the planets significance to the Chapter. The Phalanx would probably be on call to arrive at Terra on short notice as well.

-Terran PDF. At least several billion soldiers that are likely well-drilled and equipped. A very large number would be needed to keep a planet like Terra secure. I imagine they lack experience however. Also since I recall there being Terran Imperial Guard Regiments on Armageddon, it's likely their best fighters are conscripted and sent off on campaign.

-The Adeptus Arbites would naturally maintain a huge presence on Terra, so there's another army to consider, one that runs into the high millions.

-The Adeptus Mechanicus. These guys are probably the most important asset to Terra's defense after Battlefleet Solar and Luna. Mars probably matches Terras defenses in size and scope alone. Expect billions of Skitarii and combat servitors, the crack Titan Legions that defend the planet with its grandest machines (i.e., lots of Imperators), and legions of robots from the Legio Cybernetica that are probably kept in stockpiles on the planet. They'd also pull out the big gun, from Ordinatus' to Titan Legions such as the Sinister. The Adeptus Mechanicus would also maintain a huge fleet around the planet.

-The Convent Prioris of the Sisters of Battle is based on Terra, so there are going to be a substantial number on Terra, and they're going to fight fanatically.

-The Inquisition's Headquarters. Supposedly located under the South Pole. As the center of the Inquisition, these guys are going to have a lot of veteran Inquisitors, Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, nasty captured Xenos/Daemon weapons, and so on.

-As the center of the Imperial Cult, the Ecclesiarchy has an untold number of facilities and churches on the planet as well as a massive palace that is going to be heavily guarded. The Ecclesiarchy presence on the planet will be perfect for organizing and calling up a massive army of Frateris Militia, easily going into the billions as soon as they whip the population into a big enough frenzy.

-The Officio Assassinorum's headquarters and training school are on Terra, and while most of their operative are spread across the Galaxy there will be a presence on the planet, including not only bodyguards of the Grand Master but also veteran assassins and the most dangerous alien weaponry in the Imperium that the Officio maintains in some vault. Every kind of crazed experimental super soldier they've dabbled in is likely going to be unleashed as well.

-Grey Knights. Based on Titan, they are only a short distance from Terra by Galactic standards. They could be there quickly and in numbers to **** **** up.

-The Headquarters of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica is on Terra, expect a large force of very powerful Psykers. Such Psykers are at their HQ for training purposes, to control new Psykers, and to oversee those sacrificed to the Emperor.

-The bodyguards, security forces, and servants of the untold billions of Adepts, Administrators, Noblemen, and Bureaucrats that work on the planet.

-Hive Gangs. Just as any Hive World Terra's lower Hive areas are probably lawless and controlled by gangs. These gangs can wield some defensive power, and I recall hive gangs cooperating with Imperial forces for the sake of mutual survival (such as on Armageddon, where they fought off Orks).

There's also the issue of reinforcements, as soon as enemy forces enter the Solar System every Space Marine chapter in the entire Segemtum would probably bolt for Terra ASAP. Expect the same overtime with Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy, Tech Guard, Sisters of Battle, Inquisition, and so on.

Invading Terra would be the biggest nightmare ever, ever. The Tyranids are probably the only ones who are even imaging such a thing, I can't see any rational CSM actually considering it's possible anymore (they can't even break out of the Eye of Terror region). So good luck to the Tyranids, I guess.

That about covers it. Basically to besiege Terra you need like half the Mechanicum, half the Imperial Guard and Navy and and several space marine legions. Even then probably not enough.

I suppose to have any kind of chance you need all of the above and the Golden Throne to break down I guess...?

There's also a BT crusade on its way to Terra. At least in the Codex

Grey Templar wrote:Saturn is the home of the Saturnian Navel Academy.

Not on topic, but since it has been well covered already, I'll shamelessly react to that.

I know 40k is soft SF, but... Is this academy a kind of giant orbital station, or is the fluff saying the Imperium terraformed a gas giant ?

Vice_Grip wrote:Keep in mind the chapters of the SM's all train their tech marines on Mars and would not like it if some one or thing tried to invade. Especialy Holy Terra.

So I imagine any thing that tried to invade and had any form of success would soon see at least several hundered thousand marines respond.

Marneus Calgar would break down the Eternity Gate and be all "WHERE DA FIGHT AT????"
"Sorry, Sir... Custode N00bface thought it would be funny to send out a false distress signal to test our response system"
*rips Custode N00bfaces arms off and beats him with them*

Hyd wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Saturn is the home of the Saturnian Navel Academy.

Not on topic, but since it has been well covered already, I'll shamelessly react to that.

I know 40k is soft SF, but... Is this academy a kind of giant orbital station, or is the fluff saying the Imperium terraformed a gas giant ?

There is an entire civilization living on stations in the rings. The Saturnine Fleet was the Military arm of this miniature empire. They allied with the fledgling Imperium and have been staunch allies ever since, providing the best Admirals and Captains the Imperium has.

That's something I can live with. Thanks for the informative answer !

Who protects Terra? EVERYONE IN IMPERIUM trust me if something gets near terra everyone gets pissy, you don't mess with the Emperors tomb world.

From what I remember Holy Terra is guarded by three Titan Legions, not one, though a portion of those Titan legions do fight offworld and portions are based on Mars as needed.

People think only one Titan Legion is permitted to guard Terra, this is incorrect. Only one Titan Legion is permitted to guard the Imperial Palace: The Legio Ignatum, Fire Wasps.


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yevix wrote:Who protects Terra? EVERYONE IN IMPERIUM trust me if something gets near terra everyone gets pissy, you don't mess with the Emperors tomb world.

Necrons got there, at least to Mars which is close enough. The Necron vessel that managed to land on Mars probably could have reached Terra if it wanted to.
There hasnt since been any particular crusade to wipe out all Necrons since.

Attacking Terra of itself is not a galaxywide problem unless the attack is persistent so claiming the entire Imperium protects Terra has some logical weight but is largely irrelevant outside of an Imperial Cult preachers sermons.

I dunno. The Administratum may be inefficient, but without the work of its many scribes, I could think entire sectors going up in flames because supply lines between Agri Worlds and Hive or Forge Worlds are breaking down, with the loss of production capabilities then affecting the Imperium's military, and with the loss of defensive capabilities ... well, you can guess the rest.

Imp. Fists. I'm sure the Adeptus Terra also has a defense force.

IG

Imperial fists

Grey Knights aren't far away

Titans

Custodes

not to mention that if Terra was being attacked, their would be a bunch more chapters on the way.