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English Assassin wrote:
Ah, in a book written at a time when the Astartes were still mind-scrubbed criminals, the Tyranids negotiated by means of the Zoats, the Ultramarines had a half-Eldar Librarian, and the Emperor was worshipped as god before the Horus Heresy.

Even if you take it at face value, it in no way equates to positive evidence for the Emperor being (to quote Coa) "Jesus, Mohamed (sic), Buda (sic) and others", which is indeed explicitly contradicted on the same page (175, if anybody cares) where The Lost and the Damned states: "He always used his influence carefully, adopting the guise of a normal man...".

Even so, there was nothing that was published to came into the conflict with the fluff written there. And none declared it not official anymore so it is still valid.
Just like Star Child theory ( being that is from 3'rd edition many would call it not official anymore ), it is not disregard if someone say so.

And as I said, even if you insist that a decades-old rulebook should still be treated as canonical, not only does it not support your very specific claims, it explicitly contradicts them.

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Soladrin wrote:After that it's said the Emperor showes up numerous times in history.

Oh yes? So where exactly does it say that?

Realms of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned
Over the Millennia the Emperor watched the human race develop. He travelled the entire globe, watching and helping, sometimes adopting the persona of a great leader or advisor. In times of trouble he became a crusader, a religious leader or messiah, at other times he remained a back stage contributor to events.

Many of the guises he adopted were humble, others became monumental figures of world history or religion.

Ah, in a book written at a time when the Astartes were still mind-scrubbed criminals, the Tyranids negotiated by means of the Zoats, the Ultramarines had a half-Eldar Librarian, and the Emperor was worshipped as god before the Horus Heresy.

Even if you take it at face value, it in no way equates to positive evidence for the Emperor being (to quote Coa) "Jesus, Mohamed (sic), Buda (sic) and others", which is indeed explicitly contradicted on the same page (175, if anybody cares) where The Lost and the Damned states: "He always used his influence carefully, adopting the guise of a normal man...".

English Assassin wrote:And as I said, even if you insist that a decades-old rulebook should still be treated as canonical, not only does it not support your very specific claims, it explicitly contradicts them.

It's still one of the most relevant and useful sources about the origins of the Emperor though and one of the only books containing the Star Child theory. There's nothing out there, as far as I know, that proves his beginnings mentioned in LatD false.

Now, Astartes get mind scrubbed for different reasons, the 'centaur-like creatures' were killed during the 'xenocidal 50-year Zorastra-Attila wars that ended with the destruction of the entire Hive Fleet Colossus' and we have the Lecitio Divintatus which had the Emperor as a God before the Heresy. Still kinda fits in Assassin.

But, the Emperor being Jebus, maybe not, same as the Half Eldar Librarian

Brother Coa wrote:Just looke at these two pictures:

Spoiler:

And tell me that they don't look alike.

One looks like my uncle when he had his hippy length hair, the others native

I refer to the Horus Heresy novel "Tales of Heresy", to the story "The Last Church" by Graham McNeil...

Basically, the Emperor has just taken control of Earth, and has gotten rid of ALL prior religions. The Emprah believes and tells the main character (a priest and keeper of the very last church on Terra) that "Only when faith loses it's force can a society hope to become humane." The Emprah doesnt want religion in his new society, because he thinks it will blind people to a higher truths and to higher potentials. (Which was also one of the goals of the Great Cursade: too free people from the "shackles" of religion).

This is why he gets so upset with Lorgar when he writes the Lectitio Divinitatus, which causes Lorgar to turn to Chaos.
Ironically enough, during (and after) the crusade, people start worshipping the Emperor. Eventually the Lectitio Divinitatus forms the basis of beliefs for the Imperial Cult (much to the dismay of Lorgar, I'm sure. )

it is sadly ironic, isnt it?

Medium of Death wrote:Where do the old Religions fit into 40k?

They don't. Next question.